News Coco Boat Ride Coming to Disney California Adventure

[DLR92]

I wasn’t aware of this. Guess “in the end” was a bad choice of words. Didn’t mean to imply forever. More like the foreseeable future. Where do you put a Coco ride at any of those parks? Domestically they fit neatly into Pixar Pier and Mexico and also seem to make more sense due to the popularity of the IP and demographics in this country. I guess if it’s as popular as you say in China, Shanghai or HK are possibilities but is it popular enough to shoehorn into an area 10 + years later or create a whole land for it? That’s another story and why I would bet against it. I’d imagine other hotter IP will take priority the more time that goes by.

My fear is Disney could expand Hong Kong Disneyland with a Coco theme land extension of Adventureland. Personally I would hope Disney would move forward with the old Pirate Mountain concept for that park.

 

[mickEblu]

My fear is Disney could expand Hong Kong Disneyland with a Coco theme land extension of Adventureland. Personally I would hope Disney would move forward with the old Pirate Mountain concept for that park.

Coco doesn’t seem to really fit the Adventureland motif though. Maybe as some extension of Grizzly Gulch like Beyond Big Thunder at MK would have been. Of course I say this without having any idea if that’s possible.

 

[Disney Irish]

Coco doesn’t seem to really fit the Adventureland motif though. Maybe as some extension of Grizzly Gulch like Beyond Big Thunder at MK would have been. Of course I say this without having any idea if that’s possible.

Do Incredibles have anything to do with Adventureland that is going into TDL? Or Up, or even Moana for that matter that is also going in along side it?

Disney will find a way to make something "fit" if they decide its good for their bottom line. For example they can say that because some of the events of Coco happens in the 1940s that its "fits" the timeline of Adventureland because Ernesto once traveled around the world singing.

 

[mickEblu]

Do Incredibles have anything to do with Adventureland that is going into TDL? Or Up, or even Moana for that matter that is also going in along side it?

Disney will find a way to make something "fit" if they decide its good for their bottom line. For example they can say that because some of the events of Coco happens in the 1940s that its "fits" the timeline of Adventureland because Ernesto once traveled around the world singing.

Not thematically so much but Aesthetically the Jungle from Incredibles and Paradise Falls from Up work. Nothing about Coco works in Adventureland.

 

[Disney Irish]

Not thematically so much but Aesthetically the Jungle from Incredibles and Paradise Falls from Up work. Nothing about Coco works in Adventureland.

Maybe Ernesto went on a Jungle Cruise during his musical tour prior to dying in 1942.

 

[Professortango1]

Do Incredibles have anything to do with Adventureland that is going into TDL? Or Up, or even Moana for that matter that is also going in along side it?

Disney will find a way to make something "fit" if they decide its good for their bottom line. For example they can say that because some of the events of Coco happens in the 1940s that its "fits" the timeline of Adventureland because Ernesto once traveled around the world singing.

I'd say that Incredibles, Up, and Moana are, in huge part, adventure films. Coco has some aspects that overlap, with the idea of exploring a new world and characters, but the action sequences are more akin to a scrappy comedy rather than adventurous. (But I also haven't seen it in a bit.)

Add to the fact that Incredibles, Up, and Moana have their IP tied with tropical jungle locales and it matches the aesthetic of Adventureland.

 

[Disney Irish]

I'd say that Incredibles, Up, and Moana are, in huge part, adventure films. Coco has some aspects that overlap, with the idea of exploring a new world and characters, but the action sequences are more akin to a scrappy comedy rather than adventurous. (But I also haven't seen it in a bit.)

Add to the fact that Incredibles, Up, and Moana have their IP tied with tropical jungle locales and it matches the aesthetic of Adventureland.

First, I'm not the one who said it should go in Adventureland, someone just made the comment that they fear that Disney would do that at HKDL.

Second, as we've seen Disney can and will make any IP "fit" in any land without much need to justify it. So just because there isn't an obvious connection between an IP like Coco and a land like Adventureland doesn't mean one can't be established. Like I mentioned maybe Ernesto took a trip with Jungle Navigation Company in the 1930s.

 

[Nickm2022]

question, do we know if they ordered multiple coco rides? example ik they ordered 3 tron rides (have built 2 but could see the third going to Abu) and three frozen areas (Paris HK and a smaller one apart of DS in Tokyo)

 

[Disney Irish]

question, do we know if they ordered multiple coco rides? example ik they ordered 3 tron rides (have built 2 but could see the third going to Abu) and three frozen areas (Paris HK and a smaller one apart of DS in Tokyo)

No, only one confirmed version of the attraction is being built, no other orders for the attraction have been rumored or confirmed. Anything discussed here about other Parks potentially getting Coco is just speculation right now.

 

[coffeefan]

Maybe it's just me, but I always took them saying "first ever Coco ride" to mean it wouldn't be the last. Having said that, I hope the DL attraction (and potential future DW version) is unique to each park.

 

[Professortango1]

First, I'm not the one who said it should go in Adventureland, someone just made the comment that they fear that Disney would do that at HKDL.

Second, as we've seen Disney can and will make any IP "fit" in any land without much need to justify it. So just because there isn't an obvious connection between an IP like Coco and a land like Adventureland doesn't mean one can't be established. Like I mentioned maybe Ernesto took a trip with Jungle Navigation Company in the 1930s.

We're not saying that Disney can't or wouldn't put Coco in Adventureland, just that it wouldn't make sense from the principles they have had as a theme park company in the past. But current Disney has certainly been shoehorning round pegs into star-shaped holes, so anything is possible. Coco in Tomorrowland is possible even if not plausible.

 

[mickEblu]

We're not saying that Disney can't or wouldn't put Coco in Adventureland, just that it wouldn't make sense from the principles they have had as a theme park company in the past. But current Disney has certainly been shoehorning round pegs into star-shaped holes, so anything is possible. Coco in Tomorrowland is possible even if not plausible.

Agree with the sentiment although i think Coco in TL is even too far for them.

 

[Professortango1]

Agree with the sentiment although i think Coco in TL is even too far for them.

We have Finding Nemo shoehorned in, but I'll admit that is due to the existing Subs and Disney's penchant for IP rethemes of existing attractions. If there was a Peter Pan style darkride in TL that was getting old, I wouldn't be too surprised to hear Disney's idea of how this new science allows us to visit the Land of the Dead and whoaaa....Miguel's here??? Let's watch him sing Poco Loco....with science.

Not many remember the explored retheme of Disneyland's Frontierland into Arendale with Big Thunder being rethemed to sleighs traveling around/through the Northern Mountain. It was in consideration following the TOT downgrade.

 

[Disney Irish]

We're not saying that Disney can't or wouldn't put Coco in Adventureland, just that it wouldn't make sense from the principles they have had as a theme park company in the past. But current Disney has certainly been shoehorning round pegs into star-shaped holes, so anything is possible. Coco in Tomorrowland is possible even if not plausible.

Given that Adventureland's original intent was an extension of the True-Life Adventure series, that while most think of jungles and tiki as the theming of the land that I don't think its that far of a stretch for Coco to fit in there if we're being honest given the series where it gets its origins.

So while I understand your point, and I don't think Disney will, there is a way to fit Coco into an Adventureland theme especially since Mexico does have jungle regions such as the Yucatan Peninsula that can be used as a basis for a story using the IP.

 

[mickEblu]

We have Finding Nemo shoehorned in, but I'll admit that is due to the existing Subs and Disney's penchant for IP rethemes of existing attractions. If there was a Peter Pan style darkride in TL that was getting old, I wouldn't be too surprised to hear Disney's idea of how this new science allows us to visit the Land of the Dead and whoaaa....Miguel's here??? Let's watch him sing Poco Loco....with science.

Not many remember the explored retheme of Disneyland's Frontierland into Arendale with Big Thunder being rethemed to sleighs traveling around/through the Northern Mountain. It was in consideration following the TOT downgrade.

Well Baxter did say they were looking at TL for Indiana Jones once upon a time. So I guess anything is possible.


Arendale into Big Thunder? I believe you mean the Matterhorn. Which still would have been terrible but nowhere near as awful.

 

[Professortango1]

Well Baxter did say they were looking at TL for Indiana Jones once upon a time. So I guess anything is possible.


Arendale into Big Thunder? I believe you mean the Matterhorn. Which still would have been terrible but nowhere near as awful.

Matterhorn was too problematic for a few reasons.

- Age and grandfathering in of features. It was a concern that they couldn't invest the money they would want into a Frozen attraction within the current layout and changing the layout opened a can of worms.

- Roughness. Matterhorn is a rough ride and there are no great plans right now to fix this issue. Disney didn't want to waste a major IP on a ride that many folks don't want to go on.

- Draw for children. Frozen is meant to attract families and the Matterhorn's imposing nature and seating formation isn't optimum for kids.

That's when they looked at Frontierland and saw that it was beloved, but a can of worms in regard to telling new stories in that space. Westerns were dead, Home on the Range was a flop, their Oz the Great and Powerful-based offshoot in Big Thunder Ranch was shelved, and stories about civilizing the frontier and native populations were sticky. The reason for Frontierland sticking around so long has been Big Thunder.

Which is why they considered keeping Big Thunder but changing it to an IP-based attraction that could anchor a new land. The Big Thunder Sleigh Ride was born and caught a lot of traction when the top saw how easy it would be to retheme the simple one-street layout of Frontierland.

 

[mickEblu]

Matterhorn was too problematic for a few reasons.

- Age and grandfathering in of features. It was a concern that they couldn't invest the money they would want into a Frozen attraction within the current layout and changing the layout opened a can of worms.

- Roughness. Matterhorn is a rough ride and there are no great plans right now to fix this issue. Disney didn't want to waste a major IP on a ride that many folks don't want to go on.

- Draw for children. Frozen is meant to attract families and the Matterhorn's imposing nature and seating formation isn't optimum for kids.

That's when they looked at Frontierland and saw that it was beloved, but a can of worms in regard to telling new stories in that space. Westerns were dead, Home on the Range was a flop, their Oz the Great and Powerful-based offshoot in Big Thunder Ranch was shelved, and stories about civilizing the frontier and native populations were sticky. The reason for Frontierland sticking around so long has been Big Thunder.

Which is why they considered keeping Big Thunder but changing it to an IP-based attraction that could anchor a new land. The Big Thunder Sleigh Ride was born and caught a lot of traction when the top saw how easy it would be to retheme the simple one-street layout of Frontierland.

Wow are you sure about this? This is the first I hear of this rumor. Sounds downright crazy/ awful and scary that it would even be remotely considered

 

[Professortango1]

Wow are you sure about this? This is the first I hear of this rumor. Sounds downright crazy/ awful and scary that it would even be remotely considered

I did hear it from a friend I have who has access to such information and has been accurate in the past. I trust it, but I also haven't seen a ton on this.

I know that Disney was looking at Disneyland's Tomorrowland and Frontierland as their two areas to completely revamp.

Frontierland had projects such as Geyser Mountain, Discovery Bay, and the Kansas Carnival portal/load station to an Oz themed land/attraction tied to their James Franco Oz film. The Arendale proposal was the most drastic, with Frontierland being abandoned as a land all together. There was pushback as they didn't want to add an IP-focused land to Disneyland at that point in time. A winter-themed Frontierland or Winterland was briefly proposed as a blend of ideas.

Tomorrowland had projects like Atlantis, Avengers/Marvel, and Star Wars. This was always backburner as they knew TL 98 was still in recent history at this point. So Star Wars went to the Frontierland plot as its own land and Arendale/Frontierland was done.

 

[Disney Irish]

Matterhorn was too problematic for a few reasons.

- Age and grandfathering in of features. It was a concern that they couldn't invest the money they would want into a Frozen attraction within the current layout and changing the layout opened a can of worms.

- Roughness. Matterhorn is a rough ride and there are no great plans right now to fix this issue. Disney didn't want to waste a major IP on a ride that many folks don't want to go on.

- Draw for children. Frozen is meant to attract families and the Matterhorn's imposing nature and seating formation isn't optimum for kids.

That's when they looked at Frontierland and saw that it was beloved, but a can of worms in regard to telling new stories in that space. Westerns were dead, Home on the Range was a flop, their Oz the Great and Powerful-based offshoot in Big Thunder Ranch was shelved, and stories about civilizing the frontier and native populations were sticky. The reason for Frontierland sticking around so long has been Big Thunder.

Which is why they considered keeping Big Thunder but changing it to an IP-based attraction that could anchor a new land. The Big Thunder Sleigh Ride was born and caught a lot of traction when the top saw how easy it would be to retheme the simple one-street layout of Frontierland.

This sounds more like fan theories rather than Disney actually putting in a lot of investment time looking into a BTMRR Frozen overlay. So if there really was ever any look it was probably only a cursory one.

 

[Professortango1]

This sounds more like fan theories rather than Disney actually putting in a lot of investment time looking into a BTMRR Frozen overlay. So if there really was ever any look it was probably only a cursory one.

There was official concept art drawn up. I do know that.