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DHS Disney Confirms Muppets Take Over Rock 'n' Roller Coaster at Hollywood Studios

TrainsOfDisney

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One thing for me is a show like MV3D. I can absolutely appreciate that show. But I also can only see it every so often because it gets boring after too many times.
Wouldn’t that also be true for tiki room, carousel of progress, Abraham Lincoln, American Adventure, etc. ?

And of course only Disney fans would have the opportunity to see any one attraction so many times you get bored.
 

flyerjab

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Wouldn’t that also be true for tiki room, carousel of progress, Abraham Lincoln, American Adventure, etc. ?

And of course only Disney fans would have the opportunity to see any one attraction so many times you get bored.
Actually, it is very true. I feel like some old attractions are so close to Walt though that they might always be retained. I am not the Walt Disney scholar that others clearly are here, but wasn’t Walt directly involved with everyone of the the attractions you just listed (except American Adventure of course). For those that want rides preserved, Mr. Lincoln, CoP, Tiki Room might make that list.

And maybe over time some of those might be replaced also. Who knows? For me (and probably others), a comedic show doesn’t keep me coming back as much. I know all of the gags and jokes already so the satisfaction of experiencing the attraction over and over is diminished for me. Compared to, say, American Adventure? So much of that attraction just overwhelms the viewer with incredible audio animatronics. Along with an incredible patriotic story about this country. I just don’t put these two attractions in the same category. This show has a much higher degree of repeat viewing.
 

Chi84

Premium Member
Repeat riding is an interesting subject. I think for true Epcot purists, re-riding the slow moving, edutainment people mover rides is a peak experience for them. This is what Imagineering and Disney is supposed to be.

For other people, those types of rides can only be ridden so many times. They prefer Cosmic Rewind or Tron or BTM. Thrill ride fans can ride coasters over and over and never tire of them.

One thing for me is a show like MV3D. I can absolutely appreciate that show. But I also can only see it every so often because it gets boring after too many times. Humor is tricky for me. Once I know the jokes it becomes less and less enjoyable on repeat viewing. And this wasn’t a “masterpiece “ in my opinion. It was a good show, but I didn’t walk out after seeing it the first time thinking “wow, this should be preserved on one of the Voyager probes that are sent into deep space!” And I know that it was Jim Henson’s last project. But for me, this falls into the oft quoted “the Disney parks are not a museum.” I mean, 30 years? It’s been preserved for 3 decades. I feel that it was a respectable run. But for me, a theme park is not the place to maintain a decades old show, especially if it isn’t pulling people in like it used to. Even museums replace displays after so many years.
The classic attractions were the first of their kind. I remember experiencing Epcot for the first time in 1984 as an adult and thinking that there was nothing like this anywhere else.

When you see something so special and unique, it's only human to want others to have that same experience. So it's not just about re-riding, it's about losing something you really want to share with others and have them appreciate.

I think my perspective is partially based on my age but also rooted in reality. Replacements almost never live up to the originals in quality. Not much is repaired or restored these days; we dispose of things and replace them. Disposables are not made to last.

But at the end of the day Disney is in the business of entertaining people. If the classic attractions no longer perform that function, they will live on in our memories but not in Disney parks. It doesn't matter whether it is the "fault" of the attraction or society's inability to appreciate what they offer.
 

jah4955

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Actually, it is very true. I feel like some old attractions are so close to Walt though that they might always be retained. I am not the Walt Disney scholar that others clearly are here, but wasn’t Walt directly involved with everyone of the the attractions you just listed (except American Adventure of course). For those that want rides preserved, Mr. Lincoln, CoP, Tiki Room might make that list.
The best thing about the Tiki room is there. is. so. much. going. on....a true feast for the eyes...birds, plants, walls, windows, lights, etc....all at the same time. As Walt himself noted...you'll want to go again and again just to try and catch details you missed the previous times...

Not as much...but MV3D had much going on simultaneously.
 
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jah4955

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The classic attractions were the first of their kind. I remember experiencing Epcot for the first time in 1984 as an adult and thinking that there was nothing like this anywhere else.

When you see something so special and unique, it's only human to want others to have that same experience. So it's not just about re-riding, it's about losing something you really want to share with others and have them appreciate.

I think my perspective is partially based on my age but also rooted in reality. Replacements almost never live up to the originals in quality. Not much is repaired or restored these days; we dispose of things and replace them. Disposables are not made to last.

But at the end of the day Disney is in the business of entertaining people. If the classic attractions no longer perform that function, they will live on in our memories but not in Disney parks. It doesn't matter whether it is the "fault" of the attraction or society's inability to appreciate what they offer.
THIS.

A person's deep desire is for something to last beyond their lifetime.

When we encounter something special...we want others (especially those we love most) to experience what we've discovered.

That's why the longer something exists, the more upsetting it is to close.

Toad closed after 27 years. Many were upset.
Riverboat/TSI closed after 54/52 years (about twice that long). Many more upset, as more generations experienced it, making more wanting others (especially future generations) to experience it.

MV3D is somewhere in the middle.
 
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TrainsOfDisney

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I'm just sick and tired of triggering the "everything is bad & must go" crowd.
It’s weird how many people don’t like classic Disney attractions - apparently the whole place is underutilized?

Even talking about Mr. toad and Snow White - wouldn’t the MK be better with those attractions PLUS a Winnie the Pooh ride? An entire hundred acre would mini land would be lovely with the honey pot spinners and the full e-ticket.

I like the Winnie the Pooh ride, I like toad - can’t we have both? :)
 

Cmdr_Crimson

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It’s weird how many people don’t like classic Disney attractions - apparently the whole place is underutilized?

Even talking about Mr. toad and Snow White - wouldn’t the MK be better with those attractions PLUS a Winnie the Pooh ride? An entire hundred acre would mini land would be lovely with the honey pot spinners and the full e-ticket.

I like the Winnie the Pooh ride, I like toad - can’t we have both? :)
Shame we don't have a cartoon spin ala Mr.Toad..
 

Disstevefan1

Well-Known Member
RnR reskin to Muppets - OK
Points of light on SSE - Great
Destruction of Future world and fountain of nations - Very Bad
Destruction of RoA for Cars - probably Bad, let’s see what happens.
Adding Ratatouille to EPCOT - Great.
Reskin of Maelstrom to Frozen - I loved Maelstrom, but the Frozen reskin is nice.
Restoration of the EPCOT entrance; return of the spires and removal of the legacy graveyard - Great

Not everything they do is bad
 

TrainsOfDisney

Well-Known Member
Why else would they kill an attraction?
in the case of the muppets I’m guessing it was a desire / mandate from a higher authority to only create mini-lands - and the parking lot adjacent to muppet courtyard made the most sense.

I’m actually guessing that decision vs. animation courtyard was made because of construction timeline and not for future park planning.

It’s interesting to see what we end up with - I think the mayhem coaster will be fun and the theatre next door seems more than capable of handling muppet vision in the future - so I’m not sure why it wouldn’t happen.
 

Nickm2022

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I also will raise the point that there was a movement to make Muppetvision3D a historical site which means legally WDI couldn't ever really retouch or refresh the area, which im sure possibly losing that control scared them and could have made the argument to take out Muppets ontop of the small foot traffic and also fixing a pointless dead end make sense
 

Nickm2022

Well-Known Member
RnR reskin to Muppets - OK
Points of light on SSE - Great
Destruction of Future world and fountain of nations - Very Bad
Destruction of RoA for Cars - probably Bad, let’s see what happens.
Adding Ratatouille to EPCOT - Great.
Reskin of Maelstrom to Frozen - I loved Maelstrom, but the Frozen reskin is nice.
Restoration of the EPCOT entrance; return of the spires and removal of the legacy graveyard - Great

Not everything they do is bad
I agree with this, id also add villains and tropical Americas, and new test track are all positive. and even with cars id say its a more wait and see, personally if it ends up like grizzly peak at DCA id be happy. And even with future world id still take the current state over the 90's era we had. but yeah, bring back my fountain, the whole world discovery, nature, and celebration area should be like the middle of EPIC universe in my opinion
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
I also will raise the point that there was a movement to make Muppetvision3D a historical site which means legally WDI couldn't ever really retouch or refresh the area, which im sure possibly losing that control scared them and could have made the argument to take out Muppets ontop of the small foot traffic and also fixing a pointless dead end make sense
I’m not sure who was making that claim but there is almost no chance it was seriously being considered. There’s nothing historically, architecturally or culturally significant about the theater building. Even then, there are various types of historical designation and many still allow a variety of changes. Many historic theaters have been changed even after designation. What no level of designation requires is the continued presentation of any specific content.
 

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