iamgroot61
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I have no sentimental attachment to the Rockin' Roller Coaster and really don't care what they do with it. That said, using a Disney IP is a much wiser choice than a contemporary (for now) rock or pop band.
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Missed opportunity? Why Disney hasn’t rethemed Rock ’n’ Roller Coaster to Taylor Swift
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FettFan
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Money talks. Plus, Disney used Shoot To Thrill in The Avengers when Tony pops up in Germany to confront Loki; he blasts it over the SHIELD radio frequencies
After seeing what fame does to young pop stars, let’s all pray that she just fades gracefully into obscurity.
Lest we all get headline news on the Swift Family and the Kelce family in a public tug of war over her millio— well-being.
FettFan
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I wonder how high they were when they made this…?!
They weren’t high; Groucho Marx was one of Jim’s comedy influences. This was a bit of a tribute.
FiestaFunKid
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Both are a bad choice for a high intensity roller coaster on the sunset strip. You may not like them, but Aerosmith is probably as timeless as an American Hard Rock band can be, currently having hit records with Yungblud, big tours when Tyler's voice can do it, etc - ....and also played on the Strip/was a fixture in a music scene that took place there.
You can at least shoehorn the Muppets into Hollywood b/c it's in their story but the ride system is all wrong.
Taylor Swift would be the most expensive artist on earth to license and her pop or country music are a terrible fit.
Yes, Taylor would draw large lines - but so does Aerosmith today! I hope they add an Aerosmith track to Cosmic Rewind - an easy win/homage to please any fans unhappy with the retheme....and a way better fit than Conga!
You can at least shoehorn the Muppets into Hollywood b/c it's in their story but the ride system is all wrong.
Taylor Swift would be the most expensive artist on earth to license and her pop or country music are a terrible fit.
Yes, Taylor would draw large lines - but so does Aerosmith today! I hope they add an Aerosmith track to Cosmic Rewind - an easy win/homage to please any fans unhappy with the retheme....and a way better fit than Conga!
lazyboy97o
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Based on what? A band’s music being used in a Marvel movie doesn’t loop it in to anything.
She’s 36. It’s been nearly 20 years since her first studio album and she is one of the highest grossing musical acts of all time.
Ayla
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She was a young pop star ~ two decades ago.
Mr. Sullivan
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I’m a MASSIVE Swiftie. Went to Eras twice (I was there the night she announced Speak Now, you all can’t touch me), have all of her albums on multiple formats, the whole nine yards.
I say that because I want my point to be conflated with the irrational and frankly childish hatred people seem to have for her.
It’s not a missed opportunity on Disney’s end. It’s avoiding a repeat of the same problem RnRC had going into this change over.
At the moment, Taylor Swift is the single most popular artist on the entire planet. That has been the case for a little while now. But that will not last forever. There will always be the next big thing, and even someone as massive as she is is not immune to that. It happened to Madonna, it happened to Michael Jackson, it has happened to everyone who was for a time the biggest celebrity on earth.
Disney can’t keep putting themselves in a cycle of having to retheme the ride every time the artist they attached to it starts to decline in popularity. While I think Taylor is a long way off from the level of irrelevancy that Aerosmith currently is in terms of cultural capital (not to mention her legacy is a lot less blotted with horrific actions), she’s not going to maintain the current level she is at for many more years.
It is much easier for Disney in the long run to have the ride be themed to a fictional band that is unbeholden to those kinds of culture trends. They can emphasize the experience of the coaster as a concept people are familiar with (speeding down the interstate) while not having to worry about any sort of audience connection to the music that soundtracks it.
I say that because I want my point to be conflated with the irrational and frankly childish hatred people seem to have for her.
It’s not a missed opportunity on Disney’s end. It’s avoiding a repeat of the same problem RnRC had going into this change over.
At the moment, Taylor Swift is the single most popular artist on the entire planet. That has been the case for a little while now. But that will not last forever. There will always be the next big thing, and even someone as massive as she is is not immune to that. It happened to Madonna, it happened to Michael Jackson, it has happened to everyone who was for a time the biggest celebrity on earth.
Disney can’t keep putting themselves in a cycle of having to retheme the ride every time the artist they attached to it starts to decline in popularity. While I think Taylor is a long way off from the level of irrelevancy that Aerosmith currently is in terms of cultural capital (not to mention her legacy is a lot less blotted with horrific actions), she’s not going to maintain the current level she is at for many more years.
It is much easier for Disney in the long run to have the ride be themed to a fictional band that is unbeholden to those kinds of culture trends. They can emphasize the experience of the coaster as a concept people are familiar with (speeding down the interstate) while not having to worry about any sort of audience connection to the music that soundtracks it.
Mr. Sullivan
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I mean she isn’t old currently
Mr. Sullivan
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Because they did it as a collaboration with a far more successful artist who also happens to be from the UK. That didn’t happen in isolation, and would not have happened at all if Yungblud wasn’t present.Funny how an irrelevant band just scored a #1 album in the UK just 3 weeks ago.
Any way… Taylor Swift would be a huge mistake.
I like Aerosmith’s music. Pump is one of my favorite albums really ever. But pretending that Aerosmith holds ant sort of cultural relevancy beyond being able to sell tour tickets (something most legacy acts can achieve) is naive at best.
Considering their last solo album just barely hit the top 5 (and then had a massive second week decline) at a time when they still had a little bit of cultural capital left I think is all the proof one needs that Aerosmith has zero pull outside of the people who they got already years ago.
The only thing Aerosmith is really known for among people who weren’t there to see one of their peaks (they didn’t have a real drop off until around 2004 so long stretch of time) is Steven Tyler’s…erm…crimes.
I’m not saying Taylor would be a good choice to replace them. As I said in my post above, I don’t think she would be at all because it’d be making the same mistake twice.
However the change from Aerosmith to something else was necessary. They’re a non-factor for most folks these days and personally I don’t think there’s a place for a band fronted by a man with a history of assault and abuse toward children in a family theme park.
FettFan
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Since when is 36 “old”?
threvester
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Whos irrational?
FiestaFunKid
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The thing is - the ride is as popular as ever from a wait time perspective - and will remain so with Muppets even if it doesn't come off thematically as well as the original. I don't think this is about them being in a terrible spot, it's more they chose not to re-up the rights when the deal expired. If the Aerosmith contract lasted 5 more years, it would be business a s usual. They have no need to pay up for a giant artist.
Ayla
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Like I said, she was a "young pop star" when she started out, twenty years ago.
If you think she is going to become a Britney Spears, you are mistaken.
JMcMahonEsq
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I don't think you have just a boolean set of a star being young or old. I think Alya's point is that she isn't some 18yr old on their first album and new to the national/international music scene.
JMcMahonEsq
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I don't know. Somewhat of devil's advocate here, but if you designed the ride right, such that re-skinning it didn't have to be too cost prohibitive, it might actually be a neat idea to conceptually plan to base the ride around music, with the understanding that every 5-10yr (insert time period here) you would be changing the featured artist/band.
TrainsOfDisney
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Are there any references to Aerosmith on the ride itself? You could just switch out the audio on the trains and the videos on the pre/post show and you have a new artist racing from the recording studio to the concert
lazyboy97o
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The idea that going with another real artist would require eventual retheming really does miss that it’s already set up as a generic recording studio and it’s been a quarter of a century since the ride opened.
JIMINYCR
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Hopefully she learns valuable lessons from those who have gone before her....
Resist the wild partying, drugs and alcohol scene.
Be wise about those who surround you and know who are really your friends that matter.
Don't let those in your inner circle take unfair advantage of you.
Manage the money well as long as it continues to come in.
Make wise investments to keep growing what you have.
Do what matters to keep relationship and the bonds of marriage in place.
Too many before her have lost their way and regret the foolish lifestyle they led. Many left us far too soon by making bad choices with what they were given in life.
lazyboy97o
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She has already had a 20 year career and is one the most successful in her field.
JIMINYCR
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Doesn't mean a thing if she doesn't keep her head and makes wise choices. Too many artists that have had longer careers than hers have lost it all.