MK Piston Peak and Villains Land Construction Thread

[TrainsOfDisney]

I found a few.

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For a company that boasts about diversity those 4 pictures sure have a lot in common.

 

[monothingie]

For a company that boasts about diversity those 4 pictures sure have a lot in common.

"Well, I could be wrong, but I believe diversity is an old, old wooden ship that was used during the Civil War era."

 

[HauntedPirate]

For the record, your honor - I did not derail the thread, I merely provided an opinion. Nor did I touch the third rail.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

For a company that boasts about diversity those 4 pictures sure have a lot in common.

They all look like cartoon characters…not real humans?

Bob had WDI mock them up

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

For the record, your honor - I did not derail the thread, I merely provided an opinion. Nor did I touch the third rail.

Thank god I reread it…I skimmed it too fast and thought you said something about a piston and the third leg

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

OMG this is now a thread about so - called pixie dusters.

They’re resilient like the cat flea or poison ivy…

Learn about as fast as well

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Going through all of Eddie’s posts…. He had lots to say about the Rivers. I didn’t realize how much Herb Ryman had designed of this area…. No wonder it was a visual masterpiece!

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

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So we take out all the backstage of fantasyland for villians? And get a fairly small area anyway unless I’m misinterpreting. While it’s a decent drawing, it lacks much for actually being able to make a workable theme park land.

Not to mention how maintenance would now work for Big Thunder as the maintenance barn is across the river?

Maybe I’m misunderstanding it, but this doesn’t look plausible

 

[HauntedPirate]

So we take out all the backstage of fantasyland for villians? And get a fairly small area anyway unless I’m misinterpreting. While it’s a decent drawing, it lacks much for actually being able to make a workable theme park land.

Not to mention how maintenance would now work for Big Thunder as the maintenance barn is across the river?

Maybe I’m misunderstanding it, but this doesn’t look plausible

What in the blue hell are you babbling about? You do realize that the person who did that drawing kinda had a small idea about and some experience with theme park design, right? But you know better.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

What in the blue hell are you babbling about? You do realize that the person who did that drawing kinda had a small idea about and some experience with theme park design, right? But you know better.

1. Did not know it was actually drawn by Eddie, in that case, I'm glad someone who knows what they're doing drew it. I'm just pointing out logistically, this is a much much expensive plan to preserve the island which was poorly attended as well as the riverboat which couldn't fill its already bad capacity routinely.

That's why this is happening at the end of the day. These attractions were very unpopular AND low capacity. A mix of the two is not going to do the boat any favors. 450 guests can approximately get on at one time with only around 2 loops being able to be completed per hour. 900 guests per hour is a pretty bad capacity but it never routinely fulled filled the riverboat to the max. So maybe 600 people were experiencing this attraction. The only rides that get that low is Aladdin, Barnstormer, and Speedway. All of which don't take up so much space and block off a reasonably large plot of land.

They're not going to redig rivers, completely redo the track again, fill in random areas, change how BTMRR and other rides behind the scenes/backstage works for such a low ridership ride. This would be an even bigger and more expensive undertaking to preserve a ride that most people don't really care for. TSI itself would also not really be kept as people want it.


Overall while I do see the merit in this plan, I think it would just be far better to take out Cars all together if they went through with this (which I'm sure most people wouldn't be upset with and switch it out for a new smaller Frontierland/Liberty Square ride to lead into Villians. I would go for a Ichabod Crane themed ride.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I think the cars ride is legit…

…on the anything further

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Did not know it was actually drawn by Eddie,

You thought that I would go on about Eddie Sotto and Herb Ryman and then post a sketch from someone else?

I’m glad you know more about theme park design than Herb and Eddie. Would love to see your resume.

 

[lazyboy97o]

They're not going to redig rivers, completely redo the track again, fill in random areas, change how BTMRR and other rides behind the scenes/backstage works for such a low ridership ride. This would be an even bigger and more expensive undertaking to preserve a ride that most people don't really care for. TSI itself would also not really be kept as people want it.

They’ve already done most of this work including changing Big Thunder Mountain Railroad’s maintenance access. If anything, the extent of work would be reduced because the river would remain for water management.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

You thought that I would go on about Eddie Sotto and Herb Ryman and then post a sketch from someone else?

I’m glad you know more about theme park design than Herb and Eddie. Would love to see your resume.

Well, 1. I never claimed to be better than them, I literally just brough up questions so no need to be a jerk about that. Not to mention, this is literally "Oh you don't like a movie? I'd like to see YOU direct a movie" which is obviously a flawed point anyway. We don't know more than theme park designers but we're here to discuss the parks as fans of theme parks, Disney, and theme park design. I could say the same to anyone complaining about ROA going away by saying "Oh theme park designers said it was a good idea so it has to be, if you want to complain how about YOU build a cars attraction?" It's a nonsensical statement and not applicable to this scenario as I never claimed to be better than anyone and conceeded that point instantly on finding out who illustrated it.


2. Yes, I thought it was plausible that Eddie wanted the ROA to stay and someone else had posted an image to illustrate one of many ways the rivers could have stayed in some way or another.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

They’ve already done most of this work including changing Big Thunder Mountain Railroad’s maintenance access. If anything, the extent of work would be reduced because the river would remain for water management.

I don't deny that the work could have been done, as they did change its access, the problem is how do you easily get these trains to said maintenance bay over the river as there doesn't appear to be a good spot on this "island" to do it. You would need a drawbridge etc of sorts which again seems like a lot of work when a much simpler option is already present.

I highly doubt that the work would be lessened if they have to drain the entire river anyway, dig an entirely new river around established mechanics that have not had a river over it before, fill in half of the rivers anyway, install a new drawbridge to get trains across said river (unless the maintenance barn could be build and hidden on the island itself, still build the 2 lands but now work around the backstage areas of Fantasyland to ensure that these old roads could sustain 2-3x the attractions/dining/shopping spaces with less space as this plan would have to adjust some of these backstages areas.

That is a lot more work than just filling it in and calling it a day.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Look on the bright side if you want to see Rivers of America you can go to Disneyland Paris

At the same time they have destroyed WDW's RoA, they are making upgrades to DLP's RoA.

This is Iger's Disney company.....

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

Look on the bright side if you want to see Rivers of America you can go to Disneyland Paris

At the same time they have destroyed WDW's RoA, they are making upgrades to DLP's RoA.

This is Iger's Disney company.....

Thats great! You can go to each Disney park and get a different experience. DLP has a shinier new ROA, Disneyland has the original ROA (editted but still there and active), and Disney World gets Villians Land. All unique in their own way.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Going through all of Eddie’s posts…. He had lots to say about the Rivers. I didn’t realize how much Herb Ryman had designed of this area…. No wonder it was a visual masterpiece!
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[lazyboy97o]

I don't deny that the work could have been done, as they did change its access, the problem is how do you easily get these trains to said maintenance bay over the river as there doesn't appear to be a good spot on this "island" to do it. You would need a drawbridge etc of sorts which again seems like a lot of work when a much simpler option is already present.

Well nobody would actually push for that. It’d just be moved closer. This is a diagram of the major creative ideas, not a facility impact drawing.

I highly doubt that the work would be lessened if they have to drain the entire river anyway, dig an entirely new river around established mechanics that have not had a river over it before, fill in half of the rivers anyway, install a new drawbridge to get trains across said river (unless the maintenance barn could be build and hidden on the island itself, still build the 2 lands but now work around the backstage areas of Fantasyland to ensure that these old roads could sustain 2-3x the attractions/dining/shopping spaces with less space as this plan would have to adjust some of these backstages areas.

They’re digging a new river now to connect to remote ponds. This would be closer and could utilize more existing infrastructure. New facilities get their own back of house spaces so “old roads” are just fine at providing access.

That is a lot more work than just filling it in and calling it a day.

This is just a complete distortion of the scope of work that is occurring and has been documented in this thread by permit drawings and photos.

 

[flyerjab]

Thats great! You can go to each Disney park and get a different experience. DLP has a shinier new ROA, Disneyland has the original ROA (editted but still there and active), and Disney World gets Villians Land. All unique in their own way.

That’s the one thing I love about this. There will be original attractions you can only experience here. I went to Disneyland last year, and so much of that park is like the MK (only better ). We should be getting 4 new attractions, 3 of which should be major draws, along with original dining and shopping. I have also been interpreting turbocharging to mean not holding back on theming. I’m very excited for these new additions to MK. This will help provide for truly unique experiences for this park. Honestly, Chapek’s strategy of cut and paste I did not care for.