MK Piston Peak and Villains Land Construction Thread

[Chi84]

you can choose to look at things from different perspectives. I wouldn’t say that’s a factual statement.

I really do wish I could watch surveillance footage from meeting rooms at WDI and see what plans existed that would have kept the rivers and in what way and how close we got to keeping them. Someone will one day right about it…. After Disney is no more or nda’s have expired haha

How do you know there were plans that existed?

 

[lazyboy97o]

How do you know there were plans that existed?

It’s not new information.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

How do you know there were plans that existed?

Based on my time spent in person, and reading the bios of imagineers, there are always multiple plans and ideas being developed at WDI.

It’s also been mentioned there were internal arguments even after it was announced. Let alone before.

 

[James Alucobond]

you can choose to look at things from different perspectives. I wouldn’t say that’s a factual statement.

When I said "poorly utilized" I meant "underutilized by guests", not that the space was inefficiently arrayed. It's a fact.

 

[Chi84]

It’s not new information.

Do you know if it’s in this thread or the other similar one? These threads get so long it’s hard to keep up.

I’m asking about the statement that Disney was considering existing plans to keep RoA.

 

[JoeCamel]

So are they moving dirt on this yet? They build anything?

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I’m asking about the statement that Disney was considering existing plans to keep RoA.

That’s literally what I was saying - I wish I could be a fly on the wall and see how those discussions went.

 

[Chi84]

That’s literally what I was saying - I wish I could be a fly on the wall and see how those discussions went.

I was under the impression that Disney wasn’t asking for or considering plans for how to save RoA and TSI.

I was asking if there is any reason to believe that Disney was considering alternate plans or any support for the suggestion that they might have come close to adopting one of them.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I was under the impression that Disney wasn’t asking for or considering plans for how to save RoA and TSI

There’s no possible way that WDI didn’t consider plans that would have kept part of the River like at Disneyland. How far along those plans got is the exact question I was asking.

 

[peter11435]

There’s no possible way that WDI didn’t consider plans that would have kept part of the River like at Disneyland. How far along those plans got is the exact question I was asking.

Random imagineers always toy with a variety of ideas. The company however (park leadership) was never looking for a plan that kept the river.

 

[JMcMahonEsq]

There’s no possible way that WDI didn’t consider plans that would have kept part of the River like at Disneyland. How far along those plans got is the exact question I was asking.

Why would they have? It’s not like there was an outside factor that was “forcing” them to get rid of the river. It wasn’t a matter of something is going to make us get rid of the river unless we find a way to do X or Y. They were actively looking to do something better with the area so it would be utilized more effectively by more people. They wanted to change what was there, not find a way to keep what was there. I am sure there might have been some hypothetical type thoughts somewhere around the topic of “if we can find a way to get people to use the area and keep the river, it would be cheaper than having to drain and fill it. But I imagine that was the motivation, to save money not the river itself. Which that alone is telling. WDW felt the river was so underutilized that it was better to spend all the money to drain and fill it than to keep it

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Random imagineers always toy with a variety of ideas. The company however (park leadership) was never looking for a plan that kept the river.

My limited understanding is that park leadership would not approve what WDI wanted - but what I heard made no mention either way of the River and island so I’m not sure if that was connected or not.

I’m also not questioning what you have said earlier - that park management has long wanted the rivers gone - not entirely sure why they care - but I also believe you cause you clearly are in the know.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

I don't believe you can judge those things on "popularity"... is the waterway in front of Tomorrowland Popular? How about the waterway in front of the Crystal Palace? How popular is that with first time visitors.... What do first time vistors think of the green space at the back of Tomorrowland....is that popular?
It was part of the fabric of the park... the central feature the amusements and attractions were gathered around... It also created some open space which allowed the air to move... opened it up...and gave the area a beautiful natural background... are we going to start judging the popularity of each tree and bench?

Yeah ngl, if they were somehow able to replace that little waterway with an E ticket attraction that still visibly looked like a decent transition. I would not care about that waterway whatsoever.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

you can choose to look at things from different perspectives. I wouldn’t say that’s a factual statement.

I really do wish I could watch surveillance footage from meeting rooms at WDI and see what plans existed that would have kept the rivers and in what way and how close we got to keeping them. Someone will one day right about it…. After Disney is no more or nda’s have expired haha

I mean you can look at Disney World from any perspective and decide to get a different answer, that doesn't make it impossible to make a factual statement or we'd be here all day. If you look at Stitch's Great Escape from an employee perspective, it's great that its a break room!

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

WDW felt the river was so underutilized that it was better to spend all the money to drain and fill it than to keep it

Then you are suggesting that WDW is right and Anaheim and Paris are wrong?

 

[Chi84]

There’s no possible way that WDI didn’t consider plans that would have kept part of the River like at Disneyland. How far along those plans got is the exact question I was asking.

What “existing plans” are you talking about?

Are you just assuming that there were existing plans being considered because you can’t imagine otherwise?

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I really do wish I could watch surveillance footage from meeting rooms at WDI and see what plans existed that would have kept the rivers and in what way and how close we got to keeping them.

What “existing plans” are you talking about?

Are you just assuming that there were existing plans being considered because you can’t imagine otherwise?

Are you talking about this? I was saying I would like to be a fly on the wall and see what plans existed.

What is confusing about that?

 

[Chi84]

Are you talking about this? I was saying I would like to be a fly on the wall and see what plans existed.

What is confusing about that?

Why are you assuming plans existed and were being discussed?

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Why are you assuming plans existed and were being discussed?

Are you assuming they didn’t and weren’t?

 

[Chi84]

Are you assuming they didn’t and weren’t?

That makes no sense.

You’re stating that you wish you could have heard Disney’s discussions of existing plans to save the river to find out how close they came to succeeding.

I haven’t seen anything to show that Disney was soliciting or considering plans to keep the river. Another poster suggested there was information about that so I’m asking for it.