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I haven’t been on stardust - is “ejector” like what you feel on mako?On Stardust racers it has ejector air time rather than the floater air time most Disney coasters have.
I haven’t been on stardust - is “ejector” like what you feel on mako?On Stardust racers it has ejector air time rather than the floater air time most Disney coasters have.
No that's floater.I haven’t been on stardust - is “ejector” like what you feel on mako?
What are some examples of coasters that have that?No that's floater.
Ejector airtime on a roller coaster is a powerful, sudden feeling of being forcefully lifted out of your seat, caused by strong negative G-forces (below -1G), unlike gentle "floater" airtime where you just lift slightly. It's characterized by a quick, sharp ejection into the restraints, often creating an intense, thrilling sensation of being thrown upwards, a key element in intense coaster experiences.
All RMC have ejector air time. If you ridden Iron Gwazi you would have experienced it.What are some examples of coasters that have that?
All of these systems realistically are only "safe enough" - they can't be fool proof to all conditions, we just have to be sure companies embrace what are reasonable conditions to build for.
I still don't like the fear that a 'rag doll' situation could risk serious blunt force injury. I'd like to see that mapped out to ensure it's not a risk and ensure other attractions don't have similar concerns. Which in the current attraction means, explain why this victim was able to contact these surfaces but why we should assume others would not.
I standby by my thoughts… It sure seems like a restraint system like space mountain in Paris would have prevented this death.
Is the proper solution limit who can ride?
I agree. I've ridden Stardust and a few other Macks since the accident with the same restraint type system and have no idea how someone could reach the points Kevin did conscious or unconscious. However having read the report now I think the broken femur and dislocated hip really played into this. I do dread to think quite what happened to his legs as I think this allowed him to get close to escaping the restraint - but obviously didn't so the restraint worked even with a compromised rider - but his upper body had much more freedom to come up and over the restraint bar and then hurt himself and the surrounding ride vehicle.When I rode again last month, I specifically tried to see how far I could comfortably bend forward in the seat because given his build/stature, I just didn’t see how he would have reached the bar. It was uncomfortable against my lower ribcage pretty quickly, and I can’t imagine someone not having a completely fine/intact midsection to have that much motion, even when unconscious. I think the extenuating factors of dislocated hip(s) and broken femur presumably allowing him to not be properly restrained (although I still struggle with that amount of motion allowing him to reach that bar without him being likely to be removed from the vehicle mid-ride) means there should be almost no chance of that when properly restrained and meeting the height requirements. I don’t think I could have reached that bar even unconscious, really, and if I had, I can’t imagine how bad my chest would be.
You can’t just stop a roller coaster, it will always roll and coast into the brakes. So on Stardust Racers it could only have been stopped on the launches or the brake run. There’s no point stopping g on the final brakes as it is far easier to get to people in the station and I doubt monitoring the launches would make any difference.I also wonder how much of a contributor factor was the fact the ride didn't stop. Would this event had been survivable if the ride was stopped? Yes I know the concerns about evacs out on the ride path, and debates about 'is it better to stop here, or at the station?', and the question over which may actually be faster to get help to a victim.. but it sure sounds plausible that in this accident, the fact the ride continued may have sealed this victim's fate. It's not a simple fix, nor a universal one, but makes you wonder... should guests be monitored during the ride? This is something actually technology could assist with.. monitoring video feeds and then alerting the control tower to intervene. Something to consider in future designs..
You can’t just stop a roller coaster, it will always roll and coast into the brakes. So on Stardust Racers it could only have been stopped on the launches or the brake run. There’s no point stopping g on the final brakes as it is far easier to get to people in the station and I doubt monitoring the launches would make any difference.
All parties settled out of court.
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Kevin Rodriguez Zavala's family, Universal reach agreement in Epic Universe Stardust Racers death: Attorneys
A settlement has been reached between Universal and the family of Kevin Rodriguez Zavala, who died after riding Epic Universe's Stardust Racers coasters, attorney Ben Crump has announced. The details were kept confidential.www.fox35orlando.com
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Kevin Rodriguez Zavala's family, Universal reach agreement in Epic Universe Stardust Racers death: Attorneys
A settlement has been reached between Universal and the family of Kevin Rodriguez Zavala, who died after riding Epic Universe's Stardust Racers coasters, attorney Ben Crump has announced. The details were kept confidential.www.fox35orlando.com
""The family of Kevin Rodriguez Zavala and Universal have reached an amicable resolution in this matter. The terms are confidential. The family is grateful for the community’s support and asks for privacy at this time.""
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Medical examiner releases autopsy report in Epic Universe roller coaster death
The autopsy report says one of the disks in Kevin Rodriguez Zavala's neck as severely damaged, and he had a broken leg.mynews13.com
"The autopsy report summary says Zavala’s blunt impact injuries included:
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Do you think you could pick out someone having issues from CCTV on a fast moving vehicle? Or are you proposing the train should come to a complete stop at each launch and someone walks the train checking everyone?Of course you only stop at the fixed spots… but these are designed to be accessed. This is all assumed understood by the audience.
not sure why you mention the final zone as if that were the only one relevent? The guy was having problems from the first drop.. and the point is the continued journey of the ride and his injuries.. could that have been minimized?
Could you have a less genuine comment… especially when it was already addressed and you ignored it?Do you think you could pick out someone having issues from CCTV on a fast moving vehicle? Or are you proposing the train should come to a complete stop at each launch and someone walks the train checking everyone?
This is something actually technology could assist with.. monitoring video feeds and then alerting the control tower to intervene. Something to consider in future designs..
I didn’t just mention the final brakes, I also said about the launches. Just added that an e-stop on final brakes wouldn’t gain much over stopping a few seconds later in the station where access (and lighting etc) is much easier.
You have no idea if your solution would have saved him. For one, this ride is one of the vast majority of rides that has its most forceful elements in the first part of the ride. Your solution would have stopped the ride after the first airtime hill, the dive turn around, the zero-g roll, the second airtime hill, the double down and the ground level helix in the second launch track. I suspect his fate was sealed by this point as the GF said he acted weird right after the launch on that first hill. Second, there was no workers or volunteers on that platform to evac and treat, ride ops would have first had to lock down the ride, grab the manual release, and run up there. It would have only been 1 or 2 ride ops, no good smaritans would have been brought up there, and per the report he got CPR from a doctor on vacation. I think your solution would have lessened his chances of surviving.Could you have a less genuine comment… especially when it was already addressed and you ignored it?
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I didn’t realize i needed to map out every baby step for the audience… you put integrated cameras facing the riders at each row. AI and interpretive software monitor the guests in realtime for unresponsive/emergency situation guests by monitoring head and face movements. When a condition is found, it escalates it along with the video feedto the control tower to interpret and act.
The system has multiple blocks - not just the launches and final brakes. it can run up to four trains simultaneously on each track. And i already addressed the point about most effective spot for evac - point here is could we avoid escalating in the future if designs actually incorporated guest monitoring.
Evacuating a broken leg and lacerations is a lot better than a dead rider.
Please go back to the original post and find where I said I did??You have no idea if your solution would have saved him.
I also wonder how much of a contributor factor was the fact the ride didn't stop. Would this event had been survivable if the ride was stopped?
And what about any other situation for an emergency on a train? The world doesn't start and end with this one incident. The point was on this ride (and many other coasters) there is no practical way to even KNOW if intervention is needed.. and my proposal was a discussion on how this be improved and possibly benefit situations in the future.I suspect his fate was sealed by this point as the GF said he acted weird right after the launch on that first hill.
The unknown is, if his initial injuries were fatal or, if it were later injuries that sealed his fate.Second, there was no workers or volunteers on that platform to evac and treat, ride ops would have first had to lock down the ride, grab the manual release, and run up there. It would have only been 1 or 2 ride ops, no good smaritans would have been brought up there, and per the report he got CPR from a doctor on vacation. I think your solution would have lessened his chances of surviving.
Do we limit safety systems to only things we knew about before?So no assuage all concerns parks need to medically monitor every guest on attractions as taking customers word that they have gone beyond the terms and conditions connected with the admission purchase (ie the commercial contract with the park) as well as any warning signs cautioning guests about these situations to not ride ?
They’re designed for limited access by foot. They’re not designed for quick access by paramedics. It’s not just monitoring that would be needed, but significantly more infrastructure for access and use.Of course you only stop at the fixed spots… but these are designed to be accessed. This is all assumed understood by the audience.
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