Rumor Lion King Flume Ride being considered for Animal Kingdom

[Disstevefan1]

According to @PREMiERdrum, a clone (edit: see next post for clarification) of the Lion King flume ride rumored for "Disney Adventure World" (yikes, I don't even like typing that) could be headed to Animal Kingdom. Thought this deserved its own thread to keep the Tropical Americas thread separate.

I would love to see AK get this. But I know its never going to happen and if it were to happen it would be SOOO FAR IN THE FUTURE and take SOOO LONG TO BUILD that it’s now worth thinking about.

 

[Purduevian]

That's insane! Holy cow.

Did you know the Camp Minnie Mickey restrooms also still survives?

 

[Nickm2022]

According to @PREMiERdrum, a clone (edit: see next post for clarification) of the Lion King flume ride rumored for "Disney Adventure World" (yikes, I don't even like typing that) could be headed to Animal Kingdom. Thought this deserved its own thread to keep the Tropical Americas thread separate.

I mean listen, they could build a lion king spinner for all I care, a new ride, and a lion king themed one at that, would be an amazing addition to AK, a ride despite for more rides and I think we can all agree regardless of our feelings on Ip in AK lion king is welcomed by all in this park. my bigger thing is I think the ride will likely be different then the one at AW and won't be a drop log flume but could share almost everything else. I also question where because while I could see it being built between Africa and avatar I also think building it right behind the current train station behind harembeae and the up show building and expanding the park to the back could be nice

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

I mean you can say that but how would it not be true?

 

[peter11435]

I mean you can say that but how would it not be true?

A lot of people here like to deny truth and reality.

 

[jah4955]

That's insane! Holy cow.

I've seen it done all the time since childhood...done virtually everywhere: one or 2 walls left and it's still considered, in a sense, the original structure, even though it looks nothing like it.

 

[LSLS]

I mean you can say that but how would it not be true?

Yeah, it's really both. Now, it could be much different percentages (I have no idea how the cost savings would pan out), but they definitely save costs in permitting and also save costs in staffing once the ride is open. Now, I'm not sure how much a savings there really is in the utilities, but I have to imagine it's a non-zero number.

 

[HauntedPirate]

I mean you can say that but how would it not be true?

So keeping a wall means all the same facilities are reused, all the same electrical/plumbing/etc. is reused, the CM's are kept in a box on a shelf and are ready to go once the new ride opens... Truly amazing.

 

[Purduevian]

So keeping a wall means all the same facilities are reused, all the same electrical/plumbing/etc. is reused, the CM's are kept in a box on a shelf and are ready to go once the new ride opens... Truly amazing.

I think they are saying the expenses from running/maintaining all the utilities as well as staffing the attraction (operating expenses) are presevered. Not the physical infrastructure.

Regarding staffing... CM hours are not always consistent. If you require 8,000 man hours per day in a section of the park... you can't have 1000 people working 8 hour shifts, 7 days a week. You might have 1,400 people averaging 40 hours a week.

If you take an attraction offline, and you only need 7,000 man hours per day. You keep all 1,400 employees, but they only average 35 hours per week (only only get paid for 35 hours)

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

So keeping a wall means all the same facilities are reused, all the same electrical/plumbing/etc. is reused, the CM's are kept in a box on a shelf and are ready to go once the new ride opens... Truly amazing.

Okay so... we do know how plumbing works right?

It typically goes underground. We understand this simple concept correct? And since we don't see powerlines everywhere through the parks, that is also run underground. When you create a building right where a previous one stood, you can just reuse connections to the main powerline/plumbing as long as they are protected. You don't have to dig up a bunch of stuff to reconnect it to a main powerline elsewhere.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Okay so... we do know how plumbing works right?

It typically goes underground. We understand this simple concept correct? And since we don't see powerlines everywhere through the parks, that is also run underground. When you create a building right where a previous one stood, you can just reuse connections to the main powerline/plumbing as long as they are protected. You don't have to dig up a bunch of stuff to reconnect it to a main powerline elsewhere.

That’s a very simplified, pure scenario in which the new facility has not only the same loads as the previous but has things like plumbing perfectly aligned.

 

[HauntedPirate]

That’s a very simplified, pure scenario in which the new facility has not only the same loads as the previous but has things like plumbing perfectly aligned.

That only happens in Fantasyland.

 

[splah]

There are big tax advantages to leaving a few walls ups, renovation vs demolition

Executive Summary

Leaving two walls up can:
Avoid §280B demolition penalties
Preserve depreciable basis
Keep demolition costs depreciable
Enable cost segregation & bonus depreciation
Reduce property tax reassessment risk
Maintain eligibility for incentives

 

[lentesta]

Did you know the Camp Minnie Mickey restrooms also still survives?

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The first rule of remodeling is "never touch the plumbing".

 

[lentesta]

There are big tax advantages to leaving a few walls ups, renovation vs demolition

Executive Summary

Leaving two walls up can:
Avoid §280B demolition penalties
Preserve depreciable basis
Keep demolition costs depreciable
Enable cost segregation & bonus depreciation
Reduce property tax reassessment risk
Maintain eligibility for incentives

ARE YOU TRYING TO FLIRT WITH US @splah?

 

[danlb_2000]

. I really do not get why they are so expansion averse in general. At Disneyland it makes sense being a landlocked park in the middle of the city. WDW doesn't have that excuse. Expansions should happen, not just replacements of previous rides/capacity/areas.

I think the answer to that is quite simple, expansion increases operating costs thus cutting into profits. Adding capacity only make sense when that lack of capacity is starting to deter people from visiting. There is already more to do at WDW then you can do in a single trip so people aren't likely to extend their vacations because something new was added. Replacing gives people a reason to come back without increasing operating costs. This last round of updates is clearly about optimizing parts of the parks that were judged as underperforming.

 

[ToTBellHop]

I think the answer to that is quite simple, expansion increases operating costs thus cutting into profits. Adding capacity only make sense when that lack of capacity is starting to deter people from visiting. There is already more to do at WDW then you can do in a single trip so people aren't likely to extend their vacations because something new was added. Replacing gives people a reason to come back without increasing operating costs. This last round of updates is clearly about optimizing parts of the parks that were judged as underperforming.

Yep, and this is why only MK is truly expanding. It's the only park that is often so crowded that it makes guests not want to return.

 

[jah4955]

The first rule of remodeling is "never touch the plumbing".

....until age causes the pipes burst from within the walls and cause A TON of expensive damage (including mold)

 

[Purduevian]

The first rule of remodeling is "never touch the plumbing".

I don't think the TSI ones survived...

 

[HauntedPirate]

I think the answer to that is quite simple, expansion increases operating costs thus cutting into profits. Adding capacity only make sense when that lack of capacity is starting to deter people from visiting. There is already more to do at WDW then you can do in a single trip so people aren't likely to extend their vacations because something new was added. Replacing gives people a reason to come back without increasing operating costs. This last round of updates is clearly about optimizing parts of the parks that were judged as underperforming.

All true. The danger is they walk a fine line - Replace too many things people like/want to come back for and there is no more nostalgia, which leads to fewer returning guests. There are only so many first-timers out there, no matter what some people think and want others to believe.

But with their announcement/building time lines now, that's probably less of a danger these days years decades.