MK New Beak and Barrel - Pirates of the Caribbean-themed lounge

easyrowrdw

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Given that Oga’s is willing to just sell you the mug without the drink, there are obviously no tax or legal reasons at play here.
At Trader Sam’s at Disneyland I ordered a drink that came with a mug. After I got it I realized there was another mug (that I hadn’t noticed initially) that I would’ve preferred. I asked the bartender about buying the mug and he suggested a swap, which we did with no issues. A zero tolerance, no flexibility policy at Beak would be quite ridiculous.
 

plutofan15

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Given that Oga’s is willing to just sell you the mug without the drink, there are obviously no tax or legal reasons at play here.
It’s an inventory control issue. Once the shakedown period is complete and there is a better understanding of supply & demand, it is likely that the mugs will be available for purchase without buying the drink. Everyone just needs to chill out a bit.
 

LittleBuford

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But if you’re allergic and say “I’m allergic to the food, just give me the drink”, they won’t let you order the drink because you’re allergic to the food? That seems unlikely but who knows.
Our server was unsure of the policy. Her colleague seemed to think they could serve us the drink minus the “garnish” (which, again, is just a series of items on a plate, not actually part of the drink), but when she asked her manager, the answer was no. We could have gone ahead with the order and left the garnish uneaten, but that would have been wasteful, plus we would have been paying about twice the value of the drink for items we didn’t want.
 

LittleBuford

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At Trader Sam’s at Disneyland I ordered a drink that came with a mug. After I got it I realized there was another mug (that I hadn’t noticed initially) that I would’ve preferred. I asked the bartender about buying the mug and he suggested a swap, which we did with no issues. A zero tolerance, no flexibility policy at Beak would be quite ridiculous.
Glad you had such a positive experience at Trader Sam’s! That’s exactly how things ought to be, and how they have been for me in the past.
 

Casper Gutman

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Where did you get this idea that people are discussing this bar in terms of who is superior?
The repeated comments from multiple posters glibly opining that comparing drinking in a bar to gambling is utter absurdity - as absurd as comparing it to a brothel. To your credit, you have stated a consistent position on this point by stating you would not object to gambling in Disney parks.
I can tell you just from life experience that social drinking appears to be more acceptable to our society than gambling (discussing brothels is silly).
I’m sure this is true among your particular circle of social acquaintances, but there is strong evidence it is not generally true, and that’s a big part of the disagreement in this thread - defining which vices are “socially acceptable” based on which ones the poster personally enjoys (and assuming everything socially acceptable is also appropriate inside a theme park). A cursory glance at research seems to indicate that gambling is either equally or more popular than drinking among the American public. Gambling is overwhelmingly more popular among young people than drinking. Rates of gambling are climbing while rates of drinking are falling sharply. “Socially acceptable” forms of gambling are increasingly being pushed on children.

As I keep repeating, I am not trying to criticize moderate drinking among adults. That said, it’s relevant to point out there’s a new study out that links moderate drinking to increased cancer risk - I believe Penguin may have brought this up earlier. I won’t link it because it has become very politically loaded, but anyone interested can find it by searching -New York Times and Vox, among others, have recent stories.
 

DisneyHead123

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Our server was unsure of the policy. Her colleague seemed to think they could serve us the drink minus the “garnish” (which, again, is just a series of items on a plate, not actually part of the drink), but when she asked her manager, the answer was no. We could have gone ahead with the order and left the garnish uneaten, but that would have been wasteful, plus we would have been paying about twice the value of the drink for items we didn’t want.
That just makes no sense… wondering if the manager was confused.
 

LittleBuford

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It’s an inventory control issue. Once the shakedown period is complete and there is a better understanding of supply & demand, it is likely that the mugs will be available for purchase without buying the drink. Everyone just needs to chill out a bit.
Nothing about my reaction to what happened was or is unreasonable, so I’m not sure what you’re getting at with your final sentence. It’s Disney’s arbitrary policy that caused the problem, not my response to it.
 

jah4955

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Forcing teetotalers and recovering alcoholics to sit there with an alcoholic drink they have no intention of consuming when they’re willing to pay full price for the mug is not a reasonable policy by any sensible standard, much less by Disney standards.

At least the management at Oga’s realises this.
Reminds me of 2 things. First how McDonald's used to let you JUST buy the happy meal toy at a lower price. Second, how Walt only wanted to charge cost for food and beverage (except coffee was never to be more than 10 cents)
 

plutofan15

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Nothing about my reaction to what happened was or is unreasonable, so I’m not sure what you’re getting at with your final sentence. It’s Disney’s arbitrary policy that caused the problem, not my response to it.
Was not directed at you specifically. There are many here throwing around theories (as well as conspiracies)and bashing Disney because some people cannot purchase a mug. Just saying people need to relax a bit and let things work out.
 

JD80

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The idea that Disney is spending money building highly-themed bars with menus composed almost entirely of alcoholic beverages and turning EPCOT into a giant bar but that they DON’T actively want more guests to drink is so mindbogglingly stupid it borders on the disingenuous. You can absolutely defend Disney and its decision to open a bar in the Magic Kingdom without discrediting yourself with such transparently absurd positions.

This particular conversation, by the way, is about Disney refusing to sell a product to a guest unless they accept alcohol. Now, maybe this current case was attributable to a confused employee or maybe not. That doesn’t change the fact that Disney has introduced a desirable piece of merchandise and is using it to encourage the consumption of alcohol. Are there any non-alcoholic dishes on property that come with a reasonably high-quality collectible?

In any case, I’m not particularly interested in arguing all this again. There is a fundamental disagreement here about who Disney World should be for and it will inevitably come up again. We can all continue the debate then.

PS: I remembered the existence of popcorn buckets below.

Sir, this is a Wendys.
 

plutofan15

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The bolded goes for pretty much every post in the forum.

I stand by my reaction.
Agree 100% regarding that pretty much every post is a first world problem and, in the grand scheme of things, have zero bearing on one’s life.

Are you saying you stand by your reaction to not being able to purchase a mug without having to buy a drink?
 

Tony the Tigger

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As a reasonable poster, however, I hope you wouldn’t be “offended” by the idea that this might not be a universally shared viewpoint.

Thank you. Naturally, I’m aware that other people will have different viewpoints. However:

You’re not superior to someone who wants to gamble in moderation, guy who wants to drink in a theme park. You need to stop with this line.

By the way, someone who doesn’t drink in moderation isn’t necessarily superior to someone who does.

I would point out, likewise: someone who stresses the minutiae of theming, or the feelings of animals we eat, or the ramifications of a bar selling alcohol is not superior to someone who enjoys a theme park for what it is, in its current state, warts and all.

There is a prevalent attitude across these boards, that people who still find Disney World to be a good value, or enjoy IP based attractions, or sometimes anything new, are just morons who don’t know any better. THAT is offensive to me.

One can have a high IQ, as I do, and simply have learned to take things in stride in this life, and to appreciate what’s good.

I will also point out: drinking alcohol is legal for anyone over 21 in the state of Florida. Gambling is not legal in the state of Florida unless it is on property of Native Americans, with exceptions for a State run lottery and some sports betting/Internet games. Currently, gambling would be illegal at Disney World, as would a brothel, obviously. Regardless of social norms, these things are not the same in the eyes of the law.
 

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