• The new WDWMAGIC iOS app is here!
    Stay up to date with the latest Disney news, photos, and discussions right from your iPhone. The app is free to download and gives you quick access to news articles, forums, photo galleries, park hours, weather and Lightning Lane pricing. Learn More
  • Welcome to the WDWMAGIC.COM Forums!
    Please take a look around, and feel free to sign up and join the community.

News Disney Park Pass System announced for Walt Disney World theme park reservations

Bocabear

Well-Known Member
… Counting the people that actually go through the gate.

That’s why the park reservation system was actually a really good idea but everyone threw a fit at the idea of actually having to take a couple extra minutes to decide what park they want to start their day in. 🤷‍♂️
There was more to that than just deciding where you want to start your day that made people throw a fit...it was the fact that most of the time you could not go to the park you wanted to....because it was all booked up...traveling with friends as we do, we often had the issue of a couple people not able to get into the park the same day as the rest of the group....Which I know there are often work-arounds for but it makes it all feel like a gigantic hassle especially as a passholder.... Disney Annual passes are the most expensive park passes in the country and even when you buy the premium pass, it is crazy you still have to go through the hurdle of booking a reservation to just walk into the MK... Years ago we used to pop in to get a cookie at the bakery or just to walk around for a little while without doing any rides....but now that you have to go through the process of pre-booking, it makes you feel invested ...that you should probably book attractions too....amd then the whole idea of a carefree impromptu visit to a park becomes an ordeal.....
 

DisneyCane

Well-Known Member
There was more to that than just deciding where you want to start your day that made people throw a fit...it was the fact that most of the time you could not go to the park you wanted to....because it was all booked up...traveling with friends as we do, we often had the issue of a couple people not able to get into the park the same day as the rest of the group....Which I know there are often work-arounds for but it makes it all feel like a gigantic hassle especially as a passholder.... Disney Annual passes are the most expensive park passes in the country and even when you buy the premium pass, it is crazy you still have to go through the hurdle of booking a reservation to just walk into the MK... Years ago we used to pop in to get a cookie at the bakery or just to walk around for a little while without doing any rides....but now that you have to go through the process of pre-booking, it makes you feel invested ...that you should probably book attractions too....amd then the whole idea of a carefree impromptu visit to a park becomes an ordeal.....
Well said! I'll also add that it makes it a pain if you decide at the last minute that today seems like a better day for a different park than the one you booked. Even if the reservations are available you still have to go through the pain of changing them before you head out or even in the parking lot. The best benefit of being a passholder was being able to have completely unplanned, carefree days when you felt like it.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
There was more to that than just deciding where you want to start your day that made people throw a fit...it was the fact that most of the time you could not go to the park you wanted to....because it was all booked up...traveling with friends as we do, we often had the issue of a couple people not able to get into the park the same day as the rest of the group....Which I know there are often work-arounds for but it makes it all feel like a gigantic hassle especially as a passholder.... Disney Annual passes are the most expensive park passes in the country and even when you buy the premium pass, it is crazy you still have to go through the hurdle of booking a reservation to just walk into the MK... Years ago we used to pop in to get a cookie at the bakery or just to walk around for a little while without doing any rides....but now that you have to go through the process of pre-booking, it makes you feel invested ...that you should probably book attractions too....amd then the whole idea of a carefree impromptu visit to a park becomes an ordeal.....
When were they “all booked” up? On low staffing in 2021?

Let me check my calendar…

Nothing is booked up and they can’t sell the damn things.

It’s all pretense
 

nickys

Premium Member
When were they “all booked” up? On low staffing in 2021?

Let me check my calendar…

Nothing is booked up and they can’t sell the damn things.

It’s all pretense
On our last day of our Christmas trip, which was the first non-blackout day of 2023, we couldn’t change our park reservations. There were a few days where we couldn’t, but it not that day mattered. ☹️
But that was back when everyone needed to make them.
 

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
First thing, I know this is a 5 year old thread. Second, this isn't a local park, people from all over the world and all over this country travel for miles and miles to go to WDW and MK within. There is no better way to cripple yourself then to have someone ride, drive or fly to a place only to find out that the plans they had have to hit the trash because they either didn't know about or wouldn't even have thought to check on such a ridiculous thing as making reservations for a theme park, no matter how popular it got. It is a corporation death wish to even attempt it. People, especially the ultra lazy USA residents would quickly find someplace else to take a chance on with a whole lot of less pre-arrival stress. There might have been a solid reason during Covid to limit the numbers of people there at the same time. But there is no other reason. If they want to accommodate more people. All they have to do is build some people eater attractions and stop closing present attractions. The doesn't help cut down on crowding at all.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
On our last day of our Christmas trip, which was the first non-blackout day of 2023, we couldn’t change our park reservations. There were a few days where we couldn’t, but it not that day mattered. ☹️
But that was back when everyone needed to make them.
Well now almost no one needs them..and its a completely arbitrary requirement

Parks hold way more people than are there on a given day…

And you’re gonna make people who pay $1600 a year jump through hoops?

It’s in the big book of bad business tactics
 
Last edited:

monothingie

The Most Positive Member on the Forum ™
Premium Member
Well now almost no one needs them..and its a completely arbitrary requirement

Parks hold way more people than are there on a given day…

And you’re gonna make people who pay $1600 a year jump through hoops?

It’s in the big book of bad business tactics
What you forget to consider is that the people in charge are morons.
 

Tom P.

Well-Known Member
…sarcasm makes paying them more palatable?
I wasn't being sarcastic. Humorous, perhaps. However, I've worked in the IT field for over 30 years and I am 100% convinced that Disney IT is staffed by morons. But I don't believe the decision-makers are stupid. Not in the slightest. We can disagree with their decisions. I sometimes do; you always do. And, yes, I think sometimes they are greedy. But stupid? No, I don't see that.
 

bmr1591

Well-Known Member
First thing, I know this is a 5 year old thread. Second, this isn't a local park, people from all over the world and all over this country travel for miles and miles to go to WDW and MK within. There is no better way to cripple yourself then to have someone ride, drive or fly to a place only to find out that the plans they had have to hit the trash because they either didn't know about or wouldn't even have thought to check on such a ridiculous thing as making reservations for a theme park, no matter how popular it got. It is a corporation death wish to even attempt it. People, especially the ultra lazy USA residents would quickly find someplace else to take a chance on with a whole lot of less pre-arrival stress. There might have been a solid reason during Covid to limit the numbers of people there at the same time. But there is no other reason. If they want to accommodate more people. All they have to do is build some people eater attractions and stop closing present attractions. The doesn't help cut down on crowding at all.

Let me begin by saying I don't like the reservation system, so I'm not trying to defend it. But to address your example (at least in the current situation...not going back to 2023), the random family coming here isn't worried about reservations and they don't need to. Only passholders really need to worry about them at all. A family with day tickets isn't showing up and finding out they can't get into the parks.
 

Tom P.

Well-Known Member
Let me begin by saying I don't like the reservation system, so I'm not trying to defend it. But to address your example (at least in the current situation...not going back to 2023), the random family coming here isn't worried about reservations and they don't need to. Only passholders really need to worry about them at all. A family with day tickets isn't showing up and finding out they can't get into the parks.
And Disney would argue that is exactly the point -- to ensure that the parks stay manageable and comfortable for those who are coming maybe once every few years or even once in a lifetime vs. those who have the freedom to visit basically anytime. I am skeptical that "throttling" AP entries actually makes a difference in park experience, particularly in Walt Disney World which is far less dominated by locals than Disneyland. But I still think Disney would claim that's the reason.
 

bmr1591

Well-Known Member
And Disney would argue that is exactly the point -- to ensure that the parks stay manageable and comfortable for those who are coming maybe once every few years or even once in a lifetime vs. those who have the freedom to visit basically anytime. I am skeptical that "throttling" AP entries actually makes a difference in park experience, particularly in Walt Disney World which is far less dominated by locals than Disneyland. But I still think Disney would claim that's the reason.

The problem, imo, is that outside of a few days each year, reservations are entirely pointless. Parks aren’t sold out or near capacity. It feels like it’d be wiser to just require them on certain days and note them on the calendar.
 

Tom P.

Well-Known Member
The problem, imo, is that outside of a few days each year, reservations are entirely pointless. Parks aren’t sold out or near capacity. It feels like it’d be wiser to just require them on certain days and note them on the calendar.
I agree with you that they are generally pointless. However, just as in the Halloween discussion, the fact that parks aren't being sold to their maximum technical capacity doesn't mean that there shouldn't be a limit. Anyone who has been in the parks when they ARE actually at capacity knows how miserable an experience that can be. I mean, technically, the Magic Kingdom can hold around 100,000 people. I don't think anyone wants that.

It is smart for Disney to want to keep attendance lower than that on any given day. I just don't think the reservation system -- especially limited only to passholders -- is the way to accomplish that. And I think they are using it to also be able to limit staffing.
 

Vegas Disney Fan

Well-Known Member
And I think they are using it to also be able to limit staffing.
This is why I hate the system, I think this is the sole purpose of having it, so they can minimize staffing, which results in slow days now feeling like busy days. I don’t think it makes the parks better for anyone but the accountants who can show lower labor costs to the bosses.
 

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
Let me begin by saying I don't like the reservation system, so I'm not trying to defend it. But to address your example (at least in the current situation...not going back to 2023), the random family coming here isn't worried about reservations and they don't need to. Only passholders really need to worry about them at all. A family with day tickets isn't showing up and finding out they can't get into the parks.
I'm glad to hear that, but I was referring back further and in connection with how I used to visit Florida. A lot of coordination and planning was required. My tickets, usually 4 or 5 day, purchased ahead of time, didn't require a specific day that I had to be at a certain park on a certain day. I always bought park-hoppers because then I could work things out based on my desire, not some random augurism. Because of the iffyness of the resort guarantee early on I made the decision to not throw away money to sleep with a mouse. I stayed offsite and saved not only on hotel rates but food as well. Enough to make it possible to rent a car, when I flew in, pay for parking and still come out ahead. But to do that Disney had to offer a lot of flexibility. Now I know that my not going there is not putting Iger in some wild tizzy, but in order for me to have any idea about what I was going to do during my stay in Central Florida, I had to be in charge of the flexibility not some statistically based future analysis.

I need to find time to see the attractions I wanted without having to take out a mortgage to pay for line cutting in order to do so. With one line you could be very close to knowing almost exactly how long it would take to get to the attraction as soon as you walked up to the last person in that line. No stopping so the wealthy could wave to you as they passed by and you stood with no idea how long it was going to take as it was dependant on how the logarithm decided to distribute the crowd/line movement.

I know that this is probably just me, but initially WDW was my shelter from the hassles of the world. That was the first 20 years that I went at least once a year, but around 20 years ago, things changed and it was just for their benefit, not for those of us that were actually paying the bills. The emotional fun that I experienced those two decades, the childhood renewal it offered even to an adult, ended with Fastpass and eventually is going to be killed completely based on what they are doing now. The parks may survive, but the feeling one got has been suffocated by doing only what is good for Disney. Disney had built a social situation were it was almost a right of passage that you had to bring your kids to the Parks. Just in my family alone my 3 grandchildren (in their early twenties) have all been to WDW only three times when by their parents had been upwards of 10 have told me they have no desire to return. And the one other grandchild (age 14) has never been and shows no desire to go at all. Universal does peak her interest though.

Even this way sounds confusing but it was simple, non-discriminatory and without much of a flaw, that is up until, the Type A personalities just couldn't hear of standing in a line. Back before it was just expected but it was also much easier to decide meal time, break times, if there was enough time necessary to see the next attraction before you took a bathroom break. The big thing was that I might have purchased 5 day tickets, but I always stayed in the area for up to two weeks. People would be amazed at how many different experiences are available in a radius of 65 miles. The magic died for me as soon as I could feel their hands grabbing for my wallet. Others mileage may vary, but not with the enthusiasm that once existed.

Before the deluge of "if you hate it so much what are you doing on a Disney oriented site". I'm hear because I loved Disney (especially WDW). and have made online friends and even in person experiences with the people on this site. That doesn't change my opinion, but it is good to express why I am sometimes negative about Disney. I don't hate it, I am just saddened and longing for what was one of very few things that once were the highlights of my life find a way to turn back the clock a little.
 

Register on WDWMAGIC. This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.

Back
Top Bottom