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MK New Beak and Barrel - Pirates of the Caribbean-themed lounge
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Disnutz311
Disney World Purist
Heard. We are aligned.To be clear, I was in no way contesting, trying to minimize or discount your comments.
Sounds to me like we’re actually in, pretty much, total agreement. From all I’ve heard the place is very well done.
My point seems to be the same as yours…if they can do such a great job on a lounge, why haven’t they put as much effort into every project in recent years…?!
There was a time when it seemed no project was too small or insignificant for Disney to put their all into.
I guess we’ll see if they, maybe, “relearn”from the accolades regarding this project, and carry it forward into, hopefully, all future projects…….
Hey, a guy can dream…!!!
The lounge is a direct revenue maker and a new one at that. They seem to spend more money on that kind of thing as opposed to new, plussing, or redoing rides and attractions.
I do think a lot has to do with Bruce Vaughn coming back and former Imagineers consulting. The new batch of creators have a lot to learn. It also helps that they ditched the former Gensler lady that was heading up Imagineering. I hope this is a resurgence and renaissance.
Prince-1
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Hmmmm, they definitely are not adding new rides, plussing up and redoing existing rides. Oh wait…..
*The Little Mermaid: A Musical Adventure
*Zootopia: Better Together
*Test Track 3.0
*Big Thunder refurbishment
*Rock N Roller Coaster retheme
*Monsters Inc Land with new rides
*Buzz Lightyear’s Space Ranger Spin upgrades
*Carousel of Progress with Walt
*Pixar Cars Land with new rides
*Disney Villains: Unfairly Ever After
*The Magic of Disney Animation
*New missions to Millennium Falcon: Smugglers Run
*New Tropical Americas with Indy and Encanto rides
*Starlight: Dream the Night Away
*Tron Ares ride overlay
Disnutz311
Disney World Purist
Never said they are not. Just saying a brand new revenue center with great potential in solo dollar making seems to get more love than a ride/attraction now a days. More money for the thing that make direct money. Rides used to be a thing for guests enjoyment, then for attracting more guests. Now it’s a Lighting Lane revenue center first.
Prince-1
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And the lengthy list I provided contradicts a lot of what you are saying. Now are they the same company they were years ago? Absolutely not and in my opinion it has hurt them. And they definitely have moved to creating and monetizing new revenue streams and that is something that can be debated whether it has been worth it or not but Disney is definitely still looking to provide their visitors with new attractions and new experiences to enjoy.
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DisneyHead123
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Octopus dish in the news. I predict it gets pulled once they run through their current inventory. Expensive and controversial? Probably a no thanks.
www.dailymail.co.uk
Disney World sparks fierce fury over 'inhumane' food item on menu
Some Disney guests were outraged after they noticed a slightly unusual dish being offered at the The Beak and Barrel in Magic Kingdom.
Really??? Octopus is delicious when prepared correctly. What the heck is up with these idiots nowadays? That comment was NOT directed at you @DisneyHead123!Octopus dish in the news. I predict it gets pulled once they run through their current inventory. Expensive and controversial? Probably a no thanks.
Disney World sparks fierce fury over 'inhumane' food item on menu
Some Disney guests were outraged after they noticed a slightly unusual dish being offered at the The Beak and Barrel in Magic Kingdom.
doctornick
Well-Known Member
Octopus (and squid) are widely offered food items at a variety of places all over the world. The idea that there is some sort of public outcry about these being offered on a menu as being inhumane is silly. I'm not saying there are not some people with that complaint, but it's an extremely small minority and is not something that is going to impact Disney's menu choices.
FWIW, Tiffins has octopus on its menu. I'm sure there are other places on property that do as well.
TheMaxRebo
Well-Known Member
We just had octopus at Toledo a week ago - was very good!
We are definitely getting the octopus when we got in November to B&B - kids are excited for it too
networkpro
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Octopus dish in the news. I predict it gets pulled once they run through their current inventory. Expensive and controversial? Probably a no thanks.
Disney World sparks fierce fury over 'inhumane' food item on menu
Some Disney guests were outraged after they noticed a slightly unusual dish being offered at the The Beak and Barrel in Magic Kingdom.
So doubling down ? It didn't work last time. It's served at Toledo's, Tiffins, Narcoossees, Citricos, Paridiso 37, and even T-Rex. Wdw is not in the UK so those food sourcing rules and attitudes don't apply.
DisneyHead123
Well-Known Member
I’m not sure what this means.
Yeah but I don’t think there’s ever been a news story about octopus in those places. We’ll see I guess.
networkpro
Well-Known Member
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My apologies, that was Castle Cake Apologist that brought up that same article days earlier,
"In the news" = "clickbait article based on rage postings to make Disney look bad."Octopus dish in the news. I predict it gets pulled once they run through their current inventory. Expensive and controversial? Probably a no thanks.
Disney World sparks fierce fury over 'inhumane' food item on menu
Some Disney guests were outraged after they noticed a slightly unusual dish being offered at the The Beak and Barrel in Magic Kingdom.
Really, the majority of that ""article"" is just reporting "here are some social media posts I read!"
The Daily Mail is known for being a rag. There are no journalistic standards. You would think a real journalist would have done some research into how many restaurants serve octopus rather than making it seem like Disney is an outlier.
Please don't post articles that just rehash the dregs of XTwitter.
I had octopus at a Jersey Shore restaurant last week. Where's the Daily Mail's outrage over what that restaurant is doing now and has been for decades? Fake drama.
Finding retracted.
Or not.
Who knows.
I need a drink....
Federal Report on Drinking Is Withdrawn
Roni Caryn Rabin
The upcoming U.S. Dietary Guidelines will instead be influenced by a competing study, favored by industry, which found that moderate alcohol consumption was healthy.
The Department of Health and Human Services has pulled back a government report warning of a link between cancer and drinking even small amounts of alcohol, according to the authors of the research.
Their report, the Alcohol Intake and Health Study, warned that even one drink a day raises the risk of liver cirrhosis, oral and esophageal cancer, and injuries. The scientists who wrote it were told that the final version would not be submitted to Congress, as had been planned.
The report is one of two assessments that were to be used to shape the new U.S. Dietary Guidelines’ recommendations on alcohol consumption. Its early findings were reported by The New York Times in January; a full draft remained on the H.H.S. website as of Friday afternoon.
A competing report, written by a National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine panel, came to a conclusion long supported by the industry: that moderate drinking is healthier than not drinking. Some panelists came under criticism for financial ties to alcohol makers.
The academies report was requested by Congress in 2022, after the scientific review for the last version of the dietary guidelines in 2020 stated that health risks associated with low consumption might have been underestimated. The alcohol industry has strongly criticized such findings and opposed efforts to tighten drinking recommendations.
H.H.S. did not immediately respond to a request for comment, nor did representatives of the alcohol industry.
Mike Marshall, chief executive of the U.S. Alcohol Policy Alliance, a nonprofit that aims to reduce the harms of alcohol, said H.H.S. was “doing the work of the alcohol industry.”
“They’re burying the report so the information about the health consequences is not widely known,” Mr. Marshall said.
Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has decried a “chronic disease epidemic” sweeping the country. But he has said little about alcohol’s impact on American health since taking office.
Consumption of both alcohol and tobacco was absent from the first Make America Healthy Again report released in May. Mr. Kennedy (like his boss, President Trump) has said he does not drink.
In public comments on the Alcohol Intake and Health Study, wine and beer vendors and representatives of the alcohol industry urged federal officials to rely only on the competing academies report supporting moderate drinking. They called the alcohol intake study “alarming and misguided.”
The decision not to publish that study was first reported by Vox. In June, Reuters reported that the upcoming Dietary Guidelines would scrap the longstanding recommendation: that women have no more than one drink a day, and men no more than two.
Instead, the guidelines would include a brief statement that people should drink in moderation, Reuters said.
“What people need to know is that the risk of serious morbidities and mortality, and chronic disease, increases as alcohol consumption increases, and it even increases at low levels of consumption,” said Katherine M. Keyes, a professor of epidemiology at Columbia University who was one of the report’s authors.
Dr. Keyes said the alcohol intake study did not make recommendations and noted that people do many things that carry risks, like driving cars.
But, she added, “The American public deserves to know what they’re putting in their body and what kind of health outcomes they can cause.”
The authors now plan to submit their analysis for publication in a peer-reviewed medical journal, she said.
The Alcohol Intake and Health Study was one of several to have upended the long-dominant narrative that moderate drinking was not harmful and might have health benefits, particularly for the heart.
Newer studies have questioned the methodology used in older studies, and researchers have increasingly focused on alcohol’s contribution to cancer.
In January, Dr. Vivek Murthy, then the surgeon general, called for putting labels on alcoholic beverages to warn consumers that drinking increases the risk of breast cancer, colon cancer and at least five other malignancies.
He said that drinking directly contributed to 100,000 cancer cases and 20,000 related deaths each year.
Americans are getting the message. A Gallup poll in August found drinking at an all-time low in the United States, with only 54 percent of adults saying they consumed alcohol. A majority said they believed that even one to two drinks a day was harmful to health. Sales of wine and spirits have dipped.
The academies report concluded that moderate drinking was linked to fewer heart attack and stroke deaths and fewer deaths overall, compared to not drinking. It acknowledged that moderate drinking was linked to a small but significant increase in breast cancer in women, but said that there wasn’t enough evidence to link moderate consumption to other cancers.
The National Cancer Institute, among other medical organizations, disagreed.
The alcohol intake study assessed relationships between different levels of average alcohol consumption and the risk of dying from health conditions that can be caused by drinking.
The research found some benefits for those having one drink a day: a lower risk of diabetes for women, and a lowered risk of ischemic stroke among both men and women.
But even at that modest level, women were more likely to develop liver cancer. And just occasional heavy drinking nullified the protection against stroke.
“The key message is that drinking two drinks a day may be moderate from a social perspective, but when it comes to health, it’s a pretty risky amount,” said Dr. Timothy Naimi, director of the Canadian Institute for Substance Use Research and one of the authors.
“A man who drinks two drinks every day on average has a one in 25 chance of dying prematurely from alcohol.”
Roni Caryn Rabin is a Times health reporter focused on maternal and child health, racial and economic disparities in health care, and the influence of money on medicine.
DisneyHead123
Well-Known Member
I’m just picturing a tough guy with an Absolut bottle going “Alcohol is good, actually”, and a team of nervous scientists behind him nodding nervously and going “Yes, yes, good!!”.
In all seriousness though, as a pop-culture-level-research junkie, what I’ve observed over and over is that selection bias and variability among people is almost impossible to rule out. If drinking wine was equivalent to drinking paint thinner or, alternately, to drinking diluted fountain of youth water, it would have been obvious long ago. Anytime research results endlessly conflict (and sometimes even when they don’t, because again, selection bias tends to be a huge factor) I assume the answer is “It’s complicated.”
DisneyHead123
Well-Known Member
I agree it’s clickbait but I do agree with the point they’re making. No one complains when the 500th clickbait “Breaking: Disney World is very expensive and here’s yet another influencer reacting to ticket prices like… like (tries to Google that one YouTuber my kid likes who literally just reacts to things like Peppa Pig videos but gives up because apparently that’s all of them. But like that person, going “OH MY GOSH, WHAT IS PEPPA EVEN DOING?!?!?”, except looking at Disney receipts.)” gets posted.
Basil of Baker Street
Well-Known Member
Splash would like a word.
doctornick
Well-Known Member
Whole different ballgame. And Disney changed it because Disney wanted to do so, not because of any outrage.