MK New Beak and Barrel - Pirates of the Caribbean-themed lounge

Chi84

Premium Member
IMO the "Disney Adults" are the one who want the older, nostalgic attractions gone for newer IP rides with the characters they like. They buy the Orange Bird and retro-EPCOT merch as proof of their fandom, but can't articulate or really care about why those things ever existed in the first place.

Those same Disney adults probably wouldn't like Pleasure Island, Boardwalk or Disney Institute because they are not "Disney" enough
I thought the Disney adults are the ones who go to Disney without kids because they feel emotionally connected to it, largely because of the older attractions and history of the place.

I think what you're describing is simply a younger demographic.
 

networkpro

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As stock prices for Disney the company, a multi national organization with a lot of different offering as opposed to just WDW, meaning there isn’t a 1-1 correlation between Walt Disney world and the overall company, 1) I could care less and 2) if I wanted to get an analysis into the stock price/value of the company I think I would talk to experts not internet message board posters.

As to closing part of the premier park, what part of MK other than a run down small island that no one bothered to go to for years has been closed?

As to whatever is going on at Epic, I could give a flying poop. I don’t go there, and don’t care. And as to Disney caring, A) it hasn’t seemed to take a huge dip in their revenue and B) you realize no one cares in the board room if another company is making money, as long as it doesn’t take away your money. If epic generates more travel to Orlando and WDW benefits from increased tourism and travelers to the area, they don’t care if universal makes a bit more out of it

But what about the Jones ? How can we keep up ?
 

Casper Gutman

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I thought the Disney adults are the ones who go to Disney without kids because they feel emotionally connected to it, largely because of the older attractions and history of the place.

I think what you're describing is simply a younger demographic.
“Disney adults” are brand loyalists. They aren’t history buffs and they don’t have a general interest in the theme park industry. Some tip-offs are if they angrily refuse to go to Universal because it’s just not “special” like Disney or if they cheer on the current tend of slapping characters onto every surface because it makes things “more Disney.”
 

Club Cooloholic

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As stock prices for Disney the company, a multi national organization with a lot of different offering as opposed to just WDW, meaning there isn’t a 1-1 correlation between Walt Disney world and the overall company, 1) I could care less and 2) if I wanted to get an analysis into the stock price/value of the company I think I would talk to experts not internet message board posters.

As to closing part of the premier park, what part of MK other than a run down small island that no one bothered to go to for years has been closed?

As to whatever is going on at Epic, I could give a flying poop. I don’t go there, and don’t care. And as to Disney caring, A) it hasn’t seemed to take a huge dip in their revenue and B) you realize no one cares in the board room if another company is making money, as long as it doesn’t take away your money. If epic generates more travel to Orlando and WDW benefits from increased tourism and travelers to the area, they don’t care if universal makes a bit more out of it
I wasn't giving you stock advice just numbers my friend. And if you don't think taking a huge chunk of land and putting walls around it doesn't effect the experience, well I am betting you are pregaming your MK experience pretty hard core. Anyway have a good evening councilor and enjoy the Kool aid.
 

Chi84

Premium Member
“Disney adults” are brand loyalists. They aren’t history buffs and they don’t have a general interest in the theme park industry. Some tip-offs are if they angrily refuse to go to Universal because it’s just not “special” like Disney or if they cheer on the current tend of slapping characters onto every surface because it makes things “more Disney.”
I'm starting to think "Disney adults" are adults who enjoy Disney differently than the one labeling them.
 

JMcMahonEsq

Well-Known Member
“Disney adults” are brand loyalist. They aren’t history buffs and they don’t have a general interest in the theme park industry. Some tip-offs are if they angrily refuse to go to universal because it’s just not special like Disney or if they cheer on the current tend of slapping characters onto every surface because it makes things more Disney
So once again you make up a definition, make it a wholesale generalization, and do so with an air of holier than though attitude.

Many people love baseball, and love their home team. Just because a Red Sox fan has no interest in going to watch the Yankees, or the Tampa Bay Devil rays doesn’t make them any less a baseball fan.

Just because I can quote chapter and verse from the history behind the creation of WDW, from the stories in Project Future to the actual legal machinations that took place to allow the land purchases and the quasi-government framework that was set up to run the land and parks in Florida, doesn’t make me any better or worse a Disney fan than my sister, who loves the parks bc that’s where we went as kids, or my wife, who had never went before we met, but loves it now through the eyes of our kids.

Get over the idea that there is some right/wrong way to “Disney.” Get over yourself and the idea that your opinions matter to anyone outside of your self. Discussions about personal opinions have some value, what people like in rides, or food. It this idea that WDW shouldn’t do something that is clearly popular with a large segment of people because you don’t like it is just plane sad.
 

JMcMahonEsq

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I wasn't giving you stock advice just numbers my friend. And if you don't think taking a huge chunk of land and putting walls around it doesn't effect the experience, well I am betting you are pregaming your MK experience pretty hard core. Anyway have a good evening councilor and enjoy the Kool aid.
Numbers that really don’t matter, as far as looking just at the parks, and really it’s more narrow, just at WDW, one resort out of many.

As to “huge chunk of land” that’s both stupid both in the sense that the abandoned broken down island, and an underused water feature was “huge” in the sense of usage by guests, or “a huge chunk” in the sense of the total acreage of land of MK.

As for drinking the kool aid, tonight’s drinks were actually Minute Maid lemonade in the ninja to recreate frozen lemonades from frontier land. And guess what…there were families present at the bbq! And some people actually had vodka in the frozen lemonade! 😮 somehow the kids who were sitting next to their parents and neighbors who were drinking did not spontaneously combust, or immediately start doing meth.

But I will continue having fun on these boards, talking about a place we enjoy going. We actually just bought our charity bibs for the spring surprise, and the great debate/battle will be over if we are flying or driving down. Personally I am pushing for driving, Buc-ee’s is my fifth WDW gate. I take great joy in both 1) that the place I enjoy going to continues do things I enjoy experiencing. And 2) my life doesn’t suck so bad that I constantly am taking time on a message board to talk about a place/company i apparently don’t like/or is doing things I don’t like
 

lazyboy97o

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I thought the Disney adults are the ones who go to Disney without kids because they feel emotionally connected to it, largely because of the older attractions and history of the place.

I think what you're describing is simply a younger demographic.
Adults have always visited without children. It was even a joke in the early 60s about Disney being asked “When are you going to build a Disneyland for children?” (see the October 1962 issue of National Geographic for a published example). A lot of offerings at Walt Disney World from the very beginning have skewed towards adults, things like antique stores and golfing. Venues like Pleasure Island, the Boardwalk and the Disney Institute were very much about tapping into an existing client base.

What makes Disney Adults different is the engagement with Disney as a lifestyle brand and even self identifying as living a Disney lifestyle.
 

Chi84

Premium Member
Adults have always visited without children. It was even a joke in the early 60s about Disney being asked “When are you going to build a Disneyland for children?” (see the October 1962 issue of National Geographic for a published example). A lot of offerings at Walt Disney World from the very beginning have skewed towards adults, things like antique stores and golfing. Venues like Pleasure Island, the Boardwalk and the Disney Institute were very much about tapping into an existing client base.

What makes Disney Adults different is the engagement with Disney as a lifestyle brand and even self identifying as living a Disney lifestyle.
By that definition I don’t think there are many Disney adults.
 

Sir_Cliff

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I'm starting to think "Disney adults" are adults who enjoy Disney differently than the one labeling them.
Yes, that is my feeling. I don’t know if there is a definition somewhere people can point to, but I am getting the impression that it is just used as a pejorative term for people who you think have an inappropriate interest in Disney for an adult.

If you are not a Disney fan yourself, the issue seems to be the idea of adults who are into things made for children such as Disneyland or the animated features. If you are into those things (and would probably be considered a Disney Adult by the first group), it’s those people who don’t understand & appreciate these things in the right way.
 

AidenRodriguez731

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I'm starting to think "Disney adults" are adults who enjoy Disney differently than the one labeling them.
Bingo.
IMO the "Disney Adults" are the one who want the older, nostalgic attractions gone for newer IP rides with the characters they like. They buy the Orange Bird and retro-EPCOT merch as proof of their fandom, but can't articulate or really care about why those things ever existed in the first place.

Those same Disney adults probably wouldn't like Pleasure Island, Boardwalk or Disney Institute because nothing about those experiences was related to Disney movies or characters.
We just making up definitions now.
 

Animaniac93-98

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Bringing this back to Adventurer's Club, I think this bar and that is a good example of the contrast between an older kind of "adult oriented offering at Disney World" vs the current trend of "premium experience for Disney Adults"

What made the Adventurer's Club "Disney" was its scale, the lavish, period decor and special effects, the number of eccentric, costumed performers and the uniqueness of the whole thing compared to other venues elsewhere in the USA. It was an experience you could only get a Disney, but there was nothing about it that was based on a Disney movie or property when it was conceived. It later became the stuff of Disney lore referenced elsewhere, but that speaks to how much it captured the imagination of those who visited. It was made with the hope that its quality and quirkiness would appeal to its intended audience, and it succeeded at doing so on the strength of its own merits, not with existing branding.

What makes Beek and Barrel "Disney" is its location right next to the Pirates of the Caribbean ride and association to the Pirates of the Caribbean movies. Even Rummy is a deep cut Disney Easter egg that's better appreciated when you know where he comes from. Would a similar, less "Disney" Pirate bar elsewhere have the same cache? I might if it found an audience organically like Adventurer's Club, but Disney doesn't want to risk that by not physically and visually tying it to the franchise it's based on. That doesn't make it bad, that just places limitations on it when you think your patrons want the only thing you feel comfortable selling (IP) and maybe need it to fit within existing park space.
 

Animaniac93-98

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The whole reason Rummy was removed in 2006 was that WDI felt at the time he did not fit tonally with the ride now that it was connected to the movies it inspired. I think that's why the talking skull was also removed too? Or did they just not like the design and script (which was much different than Disneyland's original).

And now both are back in some form...while the Davy Jones mist screen and mermaids are out.

In the case of Rummy, it's good to see a WDW original make his return
 

"El Gran Magnifico"

I have dad jeans
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nothing about it that was based on a Disney movie or property when it was conceived. It later became the stuff of Disney lore

How Disney doesn’t doesn’t have a speakeasy concept somewhere on Boardwalk with a call back to the 20’s/30’s with period actors (CMs) similar to what AC was - is beyond me.

So many things Disney could’ve done outside the Movie IP realm.
 

BrianLo

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Bringing this back to Adventurer's Club, I think this bar and that is a good example of the contrast between an older kind of "adult oriented offering at Disney World" vs the current trend of "premium experience for Disney Adults"

What made the Adventurer's Club "Disney" was its scale, the lavish, period decor and special effects, the number of eccentric, costumed performers and the uniqueness of the whole thing compared to other venues elsewhere in the USA. It was an experience you could only get a Disney, but there was nothing about it that was based on a Disney movie or property when it was conceived. It later became the stuff of Disney lore referenced elsewhere, but that speaks to how much it captured the imagination of those who visited. It was made with the hope that its quality and quirkiness would appeal to its intended audience, and it succeeded at doing so on the strength of its own merits, not with existing branding.

What makes Beek and Barrel "Disney" is its location right next to the Pirates of the Caribbean ride and association to the Pirates of the Caribbean movies. Even Rummy is a deep cut Disney Easter egg that's better appreciated when you know where he comes from. Would a similar, less "Disney" Pirate bar elsewhere have the same cache? I might if it found an audience organically like Adventurer's Club, but Disney doesn't want to risk that by not physically and visually tying it to the franchise it's based on. That doesn't make it bad, that just places limitations on it when you think your patrons want the only thing you feel comfortable selling (IP) and maybe need it to fit within existing park space.

And this one is on the company having a faith crisis over the consumer. I’m fairly confident if the company tried and did it well, the modern park consumer would eat it up.

Case in point: Gideons.
 

lazyboy97o

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And this one is on the company having a faith crisis over the consumer. I’m fairly confident if the company tried and did it well, the modern park consumer would eat it up.

Case in point: Gideons.
It’s not a faith crisis, just a complete disconnect from why people could possibly like the product. Remember, the first attraction to open under Iger was a huge hit to which he responded with “We’re not doing this anymore.” That’s not a business logic decision. That’s not a reaction to undesired results. It’s just plain bewilderment.
 

JD80

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I just hope that Disney, when building lands for the next few decades, create a formula for what is considered a land:

1) E/D Ticket "Big attractions"
2) 1 or 2 C/B attractions that have high throughput for all ages
3) Playground/space.
4) Quick Service
5) Table Service
6) Themed Lounge/Eatery if you can't do #5.
 

BrianLo

Well-Known Member
It’s not a faith crisis, just a complete disconnect from why people could possibly like the product. Remember, the first attraction to open under Iger was a huge hit to which he responded with “We’re not doing this anymore.” That’s not a business logic decision. That’s not a reaction to undesired results. It’s just plain bewilderment.

It certainly strategically comes from the very top. From the nondescript executive in California, or whatever.

I’m curious if we’ll ever break out of it? It would take a lot.
 

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