MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[Animaniac93-98]

Probably - also, looking at them individually, DHS they were trying to get done as quick as possible to beat Universal, and I assume doing tunnels would make it take longer.

Much of Disney-MGM Studios was also built to be "backstage", which negates the need for service tunnels running through guest areas.

 

[EeyoreFan#24]

My perspective from the untrained eye is also the use cases are different. Think the Epcot utilities are more tunnel and less facility. Magic kingdoms utilities are (described to be at least) almost all facilities under the center. I would think the Epcot ones have more room to work around.

Also the facilities constructed on top of the Epcot ones are relatively simple in terms of design and construction. I’d imagine a bunch more concerns if trying to put in a ride that requires specific footings or foundation concerns.

Anything’s possible, but i cant see TWDC going to those lengths to reconstruct utilities to accommodate new ride construction requirements.

 

[phillip9698]

The sad thing is and I kind of knew this would happen is the reason Bob thinks Cars Land in California is such a success is specifically because it is based on the Cars franchise. He does not understand the reason it is popular is it a detailed and immersive route 66 tribute which if you hypothetically did not have the characters there would still work.

It's popular because it's a great theme along with a popular IP. Its both of them together that makes it special.

What is with the fascination with trying to say it's simply one or the other. It's a great marriage of theming AND IP. Without either then the area wouldn't be as popular.

People always think they are so much smarter than everyone else. Because surely Bob Iger is completely ignorant of theming. Because he is choosing to go a route different from the one you would take, there can be no other conclusion than he simply doesn't understand the "correct" point of view. It's like that once a year post we get of someone excitedly proclaiming they thought of the perfect attraction..................and they go on to present a Mary Poppins carousel ride that breaks apart into a dark ride. A ride everyone has thought of at one point or another INCLUDING the imagineers.

 

[lazyboy97o]

My perspective from the untrained eye is also the use cases are different. Think the Epcot utilities are more tunnel and less facility. Magic kingdoms utilities are (described to be at least) almost all facilities under the center. I would think the Epcot ones have more room to work around.

Also the facilities constructed on top of the Epcot ones are relatively simple in terms of design and construction. I’d imagine a bunch more concerns if trying to put in a ride that requires specific footings or foundation concerns.

Anything’s possible, but i cant see TWDC going to those lengths to reconstruct utilities to accommodate new ride construction requirements.

The CommuniCore buildings effectively had a full basement level under each side.

The large utilidor spaces are under Fantasyland and Main Street, USA. There are then spaces under the Tomorrowland and Adventureland/Frontierland buildings. These spaces are all connected by tunnels. The utilidors are not a podium on which much of the park was built.

Journey of Water is a bunch of water and keeping water out of buildings is a primary concern. Most major show buildings are actually rather simple structures. The preference for wide clear spans means in a lot of places the major structure could just span across the basement.

 

[jah4955]

The CommuniCore buildings effectively had a full basement level under each side.

The large utilidor spaces are under Fantasyland and Main Street, USA. There are then spaces under the Tomorrowland and Adventureland/Frontierland buildings. These spaces are all connected by tunnels. The utilidors are not a podium on which much of the park was built.

Journey of Water is a bunch of water and keeping water out of buildings is a primary concern. Most major show buildings are actually rather simple structures. The preference for wide clear spans means in a lot of places the major structure could just span across the basement.

Brickey spurred quite the conversation

 

[Ayla]

Brickey spurred quite the conversation

LOL This particular conversation has been going on for years. He didn't "spur" anything.

 

[Disstevefan1]

It's popular because it's a great theme along with a popular IP. Its both of them together that makes it special.

What is with the fascination with trying to say it's simply one or the other. It's a great marriage of theming AND IP. Without either then the area wouldn't be as popular.

People always think they are so much smarter than everyone else. Because surely Bob Iger is completely ignorant of theming. Because he is choosing to go a route different from the one you would take, there can be no other conclusion than he simply doesn't understand the "correct" point of view. It's like that once a year post we get of someone excitedly proclaiming they thought of the perfect attraction..................and they go on to present a Mary Poppins carousel ride that breaks apart into a dark ride. A ride everyone has thought of at one point or another INCLUDING the imagineers.

We should keep Bob Iger out of this, he knows nothing about this. His only skill is using the company’s money to overpay and purchase things like Fox.

The destruction of Lucasfilm I think is mostly Kathleen Kennedy’s poor decisions not Bob’s because again, he knows nothing about that either.

 

[flynnibus]

realize many of you may have realized this already. At least now I do too

Meh - these are basements… not major deep earth rock tunnels. I think it’s more about the logistical impact such a disruption would have if they were to take something away. And so then instead it becomes , Do they want to actually spend the time and money to rework them ? Probably not… so it’s better to just treat it as hands off.

I think the issue with TL is so much of it is integrated. Those two main buildings include critical elements so any major change snowballs to what becomes in scope … making incremental progress hard to impossible… and taking out the entire land for extended periods is so costly… so you end up with what we get. “What can we do in the existing footprint?”

 

[jah4955]

Meh - these are basements… not major deep earth rock tunnels. I think it’s more about the logistical impact such a disruption would have if they were to take something away. And so then instead it becomes , Do they want to actually spend the time and money to rework them ? Probably not… so it’s better to just treat it as hands off.

I think the issue with TL is so much of it is integrated. Those two main buildings include critical elements so any major change snowballs to what becomes in scope … making incremental progress hard to impossible… and taking out the entire land for extended periods is so costly… so you end up with what we get. “What can we do in the existing footprint?”

that was my takeaway too lol

 

[owlsandcoffee]

I would be willing to make a separate All WDW Mansion thread ala Long Forgotten on micechat if you would like.

Is the Long Forgotten Thread no longer alive? I still read the Long Forgotten blog regularly and figured the thread was active.

 

[owlsandcoffee]

For this thread? I ain’t scared! Haha.

It takes focus away from the graveyard as you exit the attic. In the same way he takes focus away from the hallway in Florida.

I wish he was inside the attic itself.

That's fair. My thought is that the HBG was intended as the punchline of the attic; the pacing builds up to it. It is unfortunate that it prevents viewers from takign in the graveyard more effectively.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

People always think they are so much smarter than everyone else. Because surely Bob Iger is completely ignorant of theming. Because he is choosing to go a route different from the one you would take, there can be no other conclusion than he simply doesn't understand the "correct" point of view.

Bob Iger is the one who doesn't want to build things like a nondescript coaster themed to India or whatever.

He is not ignorant of theming. He is ignorant of theme park's creative potential and what appeal there is besides IP

No matter how much expensive technology, ornamentation and rockwork is created, it means little if it's not in service of IP. That's the implication of Disney's design philosophy in the last 20 years. That those things on their own can't be appreciated by guests because they are not explained before hand in other media.

 

[HMF]

We should keep Bob Iger out of this, he knows nothing about this. His only skill is using the company’s money to overpay and purchase things like Fox.

The destruction of Lucasfilm I think is mostly Kathleen Kennedy’s poor decisions not Bob’s because again, he knows nothing about that either.

To be fair I do think Kennedy did screw up royally with the sequel trilogy and Bob was the one who literally expected new Star Wars movies every year which was never going to happen and probably is what doomed the sequel trilogy.The Disney+ series have mostly been good on the other hand. I think a lot of Kennedy's problems are based on directives from Iger and judging from her track record(Raiders, E.T. Jurassic Park) She can do good films.

 

[HMF]

Is the Long Forgotten Thread no longer alive? I still read the Long Forgotten blog regularly and figured the thread was active.

It's not as active as it used to be.(Then again micechat is not as active as it used to be.) It is still going but it can be days between posts now.

 

[HMF]

That's fair. My thought is that the HBG was intended as the punchline of the attic; the pacing builds up to it. It is unfortunate that it prevents viewers from takign in the graveyard more effectively.

He was the punchline in the original attic. Since the new one debuted, he basically complimented the attic scene until this year when the decapitation implication was stupidly removed from the attic scene and the new bride debuted which removed all the context from the attic and the Hatbox Ghost.

 

[MisterPenguin]

 

[Agent H]

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Disney car-dults.

 

[Dreamer19]

I don’t know if anyone in this thread has been to Dollywood, but that place has really stepped up their game in the last few years and there was talk that they may be adding a river similar to ROA. Too bad they can’t transport the Liberty Belle up there…

 

[𝐌𝖆𝖓 𝖎𝖓 𝐖𝖊𝖇]

I don’t know if anyone in this thread has been to Dollywood, but that place has really stepped up their game in the last few years and there was talk that they may be adding a river similar to ROA. Too bad they can’t transport the Liberty Belle up there…

Dollywood won America's favorite themepark for 2025 according to National Amusement Park Historical Association and landed the top spot for TripAdvisor. It really is a nice park. Everyone should visit at least once. Besting Disney in many categories. Definitely my favorite!

 

[TheMaxRebo]

I don’t know if anyone in this thread has been to Dollywood, but that place has really stepped up their game in the last few years and there was talk that they may be adding a river similar to ROA. Too bad they can’t transport the Liberty Belle up there…

Visited a couple of years ago - right before Big Bear opened.

Thought it was ... Fine. Definitely nothing close to a Disney park. I would put Busch Gardens Williamsburg over it as well

Definitely some really good coasters, some areas had nice theming - others not so much. Definitely lacking in "everybody"/dark rides