MK New Pirates of the Caribbean-themed lounge

[TrainsOfDisney]

You have not brought any math to the table. Closing a restaurant in the past says nothing about the abundance or lack of food service capacity in the parks currently.

Can we at least agree that it’s bad show to have Tomorrowland terrace and Tortuga Tavern sit empty?

 

[JD80]

Can we at least agree that it’s bad show to have Tomorrowland terrace and Tortuga Tavern sit empty?

I wouldn't say bad show, but I will always vote that more options is better.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

Can we at least agree that it’s bad show to have Tomorrowland terrace and Tortuga Tavern sit empty?

Definitely frustrating to see unused or underused spaced - be it Tomorrowland Terrace only used for dessert parties or Stitch only used for party meet and greet

(Will say, until Tortunga has been open more often than not for when I have been - actually thought the food was decent and at least had some alternate takes on food items)

 

[lazyboy97o]

But where was it before?
.... If they had 140% of what was needed before and lost 40% then they are still fine

Obviously more is better and there is less (QS specifically) now, but doesn't mean it is a "issue" now

You realize being at 140% of what they need today would mean that they accidentally built enough dining capacity for 24 million visitors per year when they were aiming for 10 million, right? Do you honestly believe that the program for the Magic Kingdom was done so poorly that it was off by well over 100%? That’s not a reasonable margin of error. It means Buzz Price was a complete hack who didn’t actually know what he was doing.

 

[JMcMahonEsq]

You realize being at 140% of what they need today would mean that they accidentally built enough dining capacity for 24 million visitors per year when they were aiming for 10 million, right? Do you honestly believe that the program for the Magic Kingdom was done so poorly that it was off by well over 100%? That’s not a reasonable margin of error. It means Buzz Price was a complete hack who didn’t actually know what he was doing.

How many more posts just missing any semblance of proof. Can you do anything but make vague references to things that happend 30 or 50 years ago?? No one cares about what happended in the 70’s. No ones cares that you can pull up some dead guys name. What he did, didn’t do, is again irrelevant to what is happening now, 15 years after he become worm food.

I mean at least try to proof a point. I know it’s hard because you really don’t have one, but at least try. Point to something, anything based on what’s happening now, that would show a lack of seating. Given your repeated diatribes containing no fact apparently you can’t, so just stop.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

You realize being at 140% of what they need today would mean that they accidentally built enough dining capacity for 24 million visitors per year when they were aiming for 10 million, right? Do you honestly believe that the program for the Magic Kingdom was done so poorly that it was off by well over 100%? That’s not a reasonable margin of error. It means Buzz Price was a complete hack who didn’t actually know what he was doing.

I have no idea - but what was built in the past, the style and type and number, isn't necessarily what is needed for the types of and amounts of crowds in 2025 ... if you have explicit data saying there is insufficient dining capacity, in the desired form for 2025 crowds, that would be awesome to see - but simply saying two QS locations closed tells us nothing about that

 

[Chi84]

I think the capacity is okay but I would love to see some changes to the existing venues. Pecos Bills in particular was never that good.

The new Pirates lounge will add some fun but it’s primarily a place for drinks.

 

[JMcMahonEsq]

Can we at least agree that it’s bad show to have Tomorrowland terrace and Tortuga Tavern sit empty?

Why would it be bad show? If they are not needed, there is no point to open them, staff them, waste money and resources on them. You don’t waste money simply to not have something closed. If you had tons of people lamenting the spaces, and just wondering tomrrow land looking for a burger or hot dog, then maybe it would be bad form. But I see no evidence of that happening. If when tortugas was open it was jam packed and customers were demanding it be open more, then sure, I could see the negative of it being closed. But again I don’t see any evidence of that either.

 

[Chi84]

I have no idea - but what was built in the past, the style and type and number, isn't necessarily what is needed for the types of and amounts of crowds in 2025 ... if you have explicit data saying there is insufficient dining capacity, in the desired form for 2025 crowds, that would be awesome to see - but simply saying two QS locations closed tells us nothing about that

I think it’s abundantly clear nothing more will be forthcoming. Maybe it’s “agree to disagree” time to avoid further arguing.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I have no idea - but what was built in the past, the style and type and number, isn't necessarily what is needed for the types of and amounts of crowds in 2025 ... if you have explicit data saying there is insufficient dining capacity, in the desired form for 2025 crowds, that would be awesome to see - but simply saying two QS locations closed tells us nothing about that

This is exactly why I keep referencing information that is publicly available. If I give you the target HMC what are you going to check those numbers against?

This is some pretty simple deductive reasoning. Capacity was removed and not replaced while visitation increased.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

This is exactly why I keep referencing information that is publicly available. If I give you the target HMC what are you going to check those numbers against?

This is some pretty simple deductive reasoning. Capacity was removed and not replaced while visitation increased.

but if people are not wanting for food options or place to eat, lines are not long, etc then capacity is sufficient even if lower

Whatever it really doesn't matter ... whatever the capacity is in the park overall I am looking forward to checking out the Beak and Barrel, at least once - my kids seem interested but if they don't end up liking the options in reality then likely a one and done

 

[lazyboy97o]

but if people are not wanting for food options or place to eat, lines are not long, etc then capacity is sufficient even if lower

Whatever it really doesn't matter ... whatever the capacity is in the park overall I am looking forward to checking out the Beak and Barrel, at least once - my kids seem interested but if they don't end up liking the options in reality then likely a one and done

You didn’t answer the question. What numbers do you want? How are you going to check them?

There are long lines.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

but if people are not wanting for food options

How do you know they are not?

The same customers at MK also go to Epcot and DAK where there are more diverse options and higher quality QS options.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

You didn’t answer the question. What numbers do you want? How are you going to check them?

There are long lines.

Ok, guess we won't let it go ... got it

Well, from a TV special Disney had they said they can serve 150,000 meals a day at MK (this was from a post I found from 2023). That year, MK averaged 48,500 guests, meaning they could serve each of them more than 3 meals a day

That seems sufficient to me ... and, as I said anecdotally, I haven't seen excessive lines for food beyond a cart here or there, over the multiple trips I have taken in the past few years and this past trip there was near immediate availability at all the TS restaurants including CRT and BOG so if people want to eat, no issues

 

[Chi84]

but if people are not wanting for food options or place to eat, lines are not long, etc then capacity is sufficient even if lower

Whatever it really doesn't matter ... whatever the capacity is in the park overall I am looking forward to checking out the Beak and Barrel, at least once - my kids seem interested but if they don't end up liking the options in reality then likely a one and done

The small plates look similar to what they have at Oga’s. I don’t see it as a place to eat. Just to have something to eat along with the drinks.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

How do you know they are not?

The same customers at MK also go to Epcot and DAK where there are more diverse options and higher quality QS options.

"Options" is probably the wrong word - there could definitely be more diversity they would prefer ... if the debate is the options in MK aren't as strong as they could be, then I agree

Guess just the option to eat *something* was easily attainable including near immediate availability at the TS options including CRT and BOG at lunch time

 

[Chi84]

Ok, guess we won't let it go ... got it

You can do it!

 

[TheMaxRebo]

The small plates look similar to what they have at Oga’s. I don’t see it as a place to eat. Just to have something to eat along with the drinks.

agreed - Honestly the only thing I think they could have more of is more non-alcoholic drinks

Compared to Oga's which I just looked at the menu, has 7 non-alcoholic drink options vs only 2 here ... given they were marketing this as for pirates of all ages, having more non-alcoholic options i think would be good

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

including near immediate availability at the TS options including CRT and BOG at lunch time

That’s a whole different issue. I’m not paying $90 for BOG.

 

[Ayla]

Leaving aside the argument about dining capacity, which this place was never meant to address….

I think it looks exactly how I’d expect it to look, menu and all. It’s a pirates themed Ogas and it appeals to the exact same demographic.

I’m sure it’ll he slammed 24/7/365. I for one can’t wait to check it out in November. And yes I’ll be bringing my kids, and if they don’t want anything from the menu, they can just take in the atmosphere and relax for an hour.

*45 minutes.