News Disney Lakeshore Lodge (Project 89 - Development near Fort Wilderness)

[RememberWhen]

Was at Hoop Dee Doo last night. The building is coming along. Those A-Frames are going to need a lot of landscaping work to look as good as they do in @lentesta’s video

And the view from pioneer hall area…

 

[harryk]

I can't speak to the building quality - Saratoga is the only pre-Pop WDW resort I've never stayed in. Time shares, particularly in the coastal south, were traditionally associated with villas, and the DVC began with that logic. I've always found the timeshare hotel room idea Disney has moved to very odd - it seems to defeat much of the purpose. Of course, DVC really isn't a traditional "timeshare" now - if it ever was.

I don't think it ever was considered to be a 'time share'. When my wife and I looked into DVC many years ago and bought into the system they were very careful to not call it a time share and went on to explain the options of visiting other DVC resorts on property and throughout the system to Vero Beach and beyond. Have continually enjoyed or DVC at what is now Boulder Ridge.

 

[harryk]

Was at Hoop Dee Doo last night. The building is coming along. Those A-Frames are going to need a lot of landscaping work to look as good as they do in @lentesta’s video
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And the view from pioneer hall area…
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Hope they get some tall trees to block the view. As it is now, it ruins the theming at Fort Wilderness.

 

[Casper Gutman]

I don't think it ever was considered to be a 'time share'. When my wife and I looked into DVC many years ago and bought into the system they were very careful to not call it a time share and went on to explain the options of visiting other DVC resorts on property and throughout the system to Vero Beach and beyond. Have continually enjoyed or DVC at what is now Boulder Ridge.

It wouldn’t surprise me if Disney tried to distance DVC from the term “timeshare” for a variety of reasons.

But it’s a timeshare.

 

[Ayla]

I don't think it ever was considered to be a 'time share'. When my wife and I looked into DVC many years ago and bought into the system they were very careful to not call it a time share and went on to explain the options of visiting other DVC resorts on property and throughout the system to Vero Beach and beyond. Have continually enjoyed or DVC at what is now Boulder Ridge.

That's the main schtick for timeshares. "You aren't stuck using it HERE, you can use it at all of our other properties!!"

 

[bmr1591]

Hope they get some tall trees to block the view. As it is now, it ruins the theming at Fort Wilderness.

I mean, I won’t argue if it will disrupt the theming inevitably, but it’s a bit unfair to judge an active construction site that has zero theming even remotely begun to it.

 

[nickys]

It wouldn’t surprise me if Disney tried to distance DVC from the term “timeshare” for a variety of reasons.

But it’s a timeshare.

It is. But, unique to many timeshares it has a buoyant resale market.

I’ve owned at Bay Lake now for 15 years. Bought it with a loan from DVC. If I put it up for sale now, even at the lowest price per point I would recoup all my initial outlay, including the loan (which was for 10 years).

And the value of the vacations we’ve had, for which we are an outlier with visits every 3-4 years, are already more than the cost plus maintenance fees.

Not exactly the burden that many timeshares are. Plus the DVC contracts have an end date, another plus. Having had to try and get rid of my Mum’s timeshare, that’s a massive advantage.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I mean, I won’t argue if it will disrupt the theming inevitably, but it’s a bit unfair to judge an active construction site that has zero theming even remotely begun to it.

Except we know the aesthetic design intent.

 

[lazyboy97o]

It wouldn’t surprise me if Disney tried to distance DVC from the term “timeshare” for a variety of reasons.

But it’s a timeshare.

Correct. They specifically avoided the term because of its negative connotations.

 

[larryz]

I don't think it ever was considered to be a 'time share'. When my wife and I looked into DVC many years ago and bought into the system they were very careful to not call it a time share and went on to explain the options of visiting other DVC resorts on property and throughout the system to Vero Beach and beyond.

From the DVC website:

 

[Donfan]

The semantics of the word "timeshare" can be argued all day. The reason we bought into DVC was the flexibility it offered. It not only included Disney hotels, but also Disney Cruise Line, Interval International, and all DVC hotels, and did not restrict you to specific dates at particular locations. We have used it many times and easily recouped our initial investment, and will continue to use it until it expires.

 

[Kamikaze]

From the DVC website:
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Thats a legally required statement. Different from them not using the word in any marketing/sales capacity.

 

[larryz]

Thats a legally required statement. Different from them not using the word in any marketing/sales capacity.

If it looks like a duck, and it quacks like a duck, and it waddles like a duck, and Disney is legally required to call it a duck, it's a duck.

 

[DCLcruiser]

I believe they are held by the laws of a timeshare, but there are differences. My family has RCI (well it's a different name these days) in Kissimmee.

Timeshares are usually perpetual and a form of ownership in an asset. DVC is prepaying for future vacations, and the contract has an end date.

 

[Kamikaze]

If it looks like a duck, and it quacks like a duck, and it waddles like a duck, and Disney is legally required to call it a duck, it's a duck.

I don't think anyone is saying it isn't a timeshare. Just that Disney doesn't call it a timeshare.

 

[Bocabear]

I mean, I won’t argue if it will disrupt the theming inevitably, but it’s a bit unfair to judge an active construction site that has zero theming even remotely begun to it.

Unless they are covering the building a'la Tiana, it is going to stick out like a sore thumb at Fort Wilderness... And we already know what they are planning the resort to look like... I don;'t think there are trees that could be planted that would block that view... not for 30-50 years anyway....
aside from that, they don't care.

 

[Casper Gutman]

I don't think anyone is saying it isn't a timeshare. Just that Disney doesn't call it a timeshare.

The fact that Disney doesn’t want to call it what it is should set off alarm bells.

DVC has been detrimental to the resort.

 

[Kamikaze]

The fact that Disney doesn’t want to call it what it is should set off alarm bells.

DVC has been detrimental to the resort.

So you want to call them only 'amusement' parks and 'rides' as well? Or the thousands of other terms that Disney uses for marketing?

 

[Casper Gutman]

So you want to call them only 'amusement' parks and 'rides' as well? Or the thousands of other terms that Disney uses for marketing?

They are rides. Why wouldn’t we call them rides?

Is Disney legally required to note that it runs “amusement” parks?

And in general yes, Disney’s PR speak can be absurd, and it’s vital that consumers peel it away to understand and discuss what they are actually doing.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I don't think anyone is saying it isn't a timeshare. Just that Disney doesn't call it a timeshare.

I’m seeing a few on this page include the post immediate above yours.