DHS Monster Inc Land Coming to Disney's Hollywood Studios

[Joel]

I just think it's funny people can see what happened with Starlight and still be like, "No one can possibly know why Disney closed the entire area when they did, but saving on labor costs 100% for sure had nothing to do with it!"

 

[peter11435]

Muppets was not closed to save money. The closing of the courtyard resulted in very little money. Especially when the lost revenue from the two restaurants is factored in.

Muppets was absolutely closed earlier than necessary to save money. The closing of the courtyard results in saving millions of dollars in operating expenses per year. The revenue of the two restaurants is not really lost at all because it is shifted to other operating locations. The same guests are still eating the same meals.

 

[peter11435]

Disney doesn't HAVE to open on Thursdays or sell cheeseburgers, either. Except they do, and they do have to start construction on Monsters Inc. land when shareholders are asking them how they're going to compete with the likes of Epic Universe and stay current with customer preferences.

Disney didn’t have to close muppets now in order to start construction on Monsters Inc. land.

 

[CoasterCowboy67]

That’s a boba sized straw man.

Mirrors can be hard to face

 

[CoasterCowboy67]

Muppets was absolutely closed earlier than necessary to save money. The closing of the courtyard results in saving millions of dollars in operating expenses per year. The revenue of the two restaurants is not really lost at all because it is shifted to other operating locations. The same guests are still eating the same meals.

"Absolutely" eh?

 

[lazyboy97o]

"Absolutely" eh?

Feel free to explain how the scope of work has been misunderstood.

 

[peter11435]

"Absolutely" eh?

Yes.

Absolutely.

 

[Dranth]

Disney doesn't HAVE to open on Thursdays or sell cheeseburgers, either. Except they do, and they do have to start construction on Monsters Inc. land when shareholders are asking them how they're going to compete with the likes of Epic Universe and stay current with customer preferences.

Of course they have to start construction. No one said they didn't. What they are saying is that unless this area is going to reopen early, they didn't need to start this part of the construction this soon. Therefore, Muppets could have remained open longer.

Now if they do end up opening this part early (which would be great) then it will all make sense, but from what we know so far, it doesn't. Either way, hopefully we get some more clarity at D23.

Although technically and factually true they don't HAVE to do much, it's being presented as a malicious or cruel choice. As if this decision happened in some looooong board room, Iger sitting on a throne at the end of the table, representatives from every division -- finance, construction, safety, environmental, etc. -- all meekly pleading to build the coaster building first while the show stays open for another 9 months and Iger just angrily yells "F--- those Muppets fans...we're closing that show NOW"

I know you are being hyperbolic, but I doubt anyone was pleading to do anything.

More likely a few different options/scenarios were presented and discussed. Reports on revenue and cost impact along with some general timelines for construction would have been included. At that point the powers that be would make their decision.

 

[danlb_2000]

Disney, like a lot of large corporations, has many committees who hold meeting after meeting after meeting to make sometimes even the smallest decisions. The idea that Iger is sitting on a throne in Burbank making proclamations is simply not true.

Muppets was not closed to save money. The closing of the courtyard resulted in very little money. Especially when the lost revenue from the two restaurants is factored in.

So you are implying that the people who would have had meals in those resturantes went off-property to eat instead?

 

[peter11435]

So you are implying that the people who would have had meals in those resturantes went off-property to eat instead?

I think they starved to death.

 

[JohnD]

Disney didn’t have to close muppets now in order to start construction on Monsters Inc. land.

Sure they didn't.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Of course they have to start construction. No one said they didn't. What they are saying is that unless this area is going to reopen early, they didn't need to start this part of the construction this soon. Therefore, Muppets could have remained open longer.

Now if they do end up opening this part early (which would be great) then it will all make sense, but from what we know so far, it doesn't. Either way, hopefully we get some more clarity at D23.

Even choosing to open the theater early is not a must. It’s a choice. It’s one more people would consider a worthwhile trade, but it’s still a trade. It also doesn’t rule out the decision to save on near-term operating costs.

 

[peter11435]

Sure they didn't.

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Are you really still missing the point?

Do you honestly think demolishing that building now is necessary when the E-ticket anchor of the new land is still a parking lot?

 

[CoasterCowboy67]

Yes.

Absolutely.

Well clearly not. Not sure what expertise you have, but its certainly not economics or business.

Closed restaurants absolutely result in lost revenue -- it's not just magically transferred elsewhere in the park. Or else by that argument Disney should close all restaurants except one per park to absorb everyone's meals. There's such a thing called food preferences and wanting to eat at an Italian sit down restaurant, there's such a thing called overloaded serving / seating capacity at the other locations, there's such a thing called families packing meals instead, or leaving early to eat outside. Were these high demand restaurants? No. But to claim Disney is not forgoing revenue from closing two restaurants and a store already suggests you have absolutely no standing to use the word "absolutely" with respect to a company's timeline to close a show.

Feel free to explain how the scope of work has been misunderstood.

I won't, or I'll be committing the same fallacy I'm calling out. The point is, I don't know the full scope of work of considerations and neither do you. I am an expert in several of the relevant areas as I trust you are. But neither of us have the full picture. I and others have already listed several considerations outside of access road locations and the time it takes to build a coaster building vs. renovate a courtyard as reasons for closing the show when they did. Operating cost savings is a perfectly valid and not anti-customer reason to do so, and many other plausible reasons exist.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Sure they didn't.

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This picture is a big piece of evidence that the closure didn’t need to happen. They’re not doing something like a disassembly for recycling that requires time and care. They just knocked the whole thing down and are tossing away the rubble. That’s some of the easiest, fastest work that can be done.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Well clearly not. Not sure what expertise you have, but its certainly not economics or business.

Closed restaurants absolutely result in lost revenue -- it's not just magically transferred elsewhere in the park. Or else by that argument Disney should close all restaurants except one per park to absorb everyone's meals. There's such a thing called food preferences and wanting to eat at an Italian sit down restaurant, there's such a thing called overloaded serving / seating capacity at the other locations, there's such a thing called families packing meals instead, or leaving early to eat outside. Were these high demand restaurants? No. But to claim Disney is not forgoing revenue from closing two restaurants and a store already suggests you have absolutely no standing to use the word "absolutely" with respect to a company's timeline to close a show.


I won't, or I'll be committing the same fallacy I'm calling out. The point is, I don't know the full scope of work of considerations and neither do you. I am an expert in several of the relevant areas as I trust you are. But neither of us have the full picture. I and others have already listed several considerations outside of access road locations and the time it takes to build a coaster building vs. renovate a courtyard as reasons for closing the show when they did. Operating cost savings is a perfectly valid and not anti-customer reason to do so, and many other plausible reasons exist.

Since you brought this up - what are your precise areas of expertise?

 

[lazyboy97o]

Since you brought this up - what are your precise areas of expertise?

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[peter11435]

Well clearly not. Not sure what expertise you have, but its certainly not economics or business.

Closed restaurants absolutely result in lost revenue -- it's not just magically transferred elsewhere in the park. Or else by that argument Disney should close all restaurants except one per park to absorb everyone's meals. There's such a thing called food preferences and wanting to eat at an Italian sit down restaurant, there's such a thing called overloaded serving / seating capacity at the other locations, there's such a thing called families packing meals instead, or leaving early to eat outside. Were these high demand restaurants? No. But to claim Disney is not forgoing revenue from closing two restaurants and a store already suggests you have absolutely no standing to use the word "absolutely" with respect to a company's timeline to close a show.

Look. I don’t really care if you believe me or not. But I’m not guessing, I’m telling you that Muppet courtyard was closed now to save on operating expenses. Thats the economics and business of it.

Disney is not losing revenue by closing those restaurants. The guests in the park are not suddenly going hungry. The same guests that would be eating at those restaurants are eating at other operating venues. Sure they have less options but they are still spending money on meals. And Disney has less venues to pay to operate.

Pizzarizzo historically wasn’t even open for dinner. Only a few hours each day for lunch. Often having the upstairs closed off to guests too. Even on its final day of operation it was not open for dinner service.

Disney has a long history of closing venues to consolidate demand and operating expenses. Notice the Tomorrowland Terrace sits empty every day in the middle of the busiest theme park in the world?

That store hasn’t been open on a regular basis since before Covid. So I guess they didn’t want that revenue for over half a decade.

The company absolutely closed muppet courtyard now for financial gain. Just like they never reopened Stage 1 after 2020, closed the Christmas shop years ago, and closed Pizzarizzo at 4pm most days.

 

[Casper Gutman]

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[Dranth]

Even choosing to open the theater early is not a must. It’s a choice. It’s one more people would consider a worthwhile trade, but it’s still a trade. It also doesn’t rule out the decision to save on near-term operating costs.

Agreed, but at least the timing starts to make sense if they do open it early.