GhostHost1000
Premium Member
if they were planning to do this, why wouldn’t they have announced it at the same time they announced monsters going where muppets were to soften the blow to some
Because plans hadn’t been finalizedif they were planning to do this, why wouldn’t they have announced it at the same time they announced monsters going where muppets were to soften the blow to some
I dont really know how you seperate all this into 2 buildings in practice? I've been in there and the entire thing is interconnectedThose are two separate buildings.
I think this also gives WDW time to see if any more low tier Marvel characters that are not affected by the universal contract can potentially break out big in any future film projects to allow them a superhero land in this area.
You can see so many unthemed buildings pretty much anywhere you look when standing in front of the Chinese Theater
That arch wasn't really doing anything for the park's theming or cohesion
If anything, it made zero sense having an arch with the park logo leading nowhere
Not sure how anyone could be mad about this or why they think this is temporary. We literally just got a huge Mermaid refurb and they’re touching the most dead area of the park.
If you wanted a new immersive land, you’d all be disappointed to discover it wouldn’t be Muppets or Marvel- it’d be something else like Pixar, Moana, or Frozen (Frozen 3 in 2027). The options just seem limited to me and I think a hard refresh of Animation Courtyard is long overdue and keeps the essence of Hollywood Studios alive for a new generation.
I didn’t say it would, I said its based on other buildings Stern built for Disney which use a post modern sorcerer hat as a motifThey’re not fundamentally changing the architecture of the buildings. The sorcerer’s hat won’t magically turn it into a Stern building.
This is basically what I think too. I'm just glad they're replacing Launch Bay with SOMETHING.Gonna be blunt on this one. This is good because it's on brand / theme for the park. It's bad because it's not an expansion with rides in this area.
This too.I’ll take this over Simpsons any day!!!!
Yeah, I feel like they only thought this up after seeing people complain about Muppets getting replaced while Launch Bay continued to exist, so they said, "We gotta think of something to replace Launch Bay..."I think the only reason they’re doing this is because they decided on Monsters Inc going to Muppets
That’s not what you said. You said the courtyard would “open into a set of jarring post modern studio buildings”, not that there was a single postmodern decoration on one of the buildings that you thought might be disruptive. Also, in the context of literally everything else around it not being postmodern, it will likely just read as the conical hat it is based on, not part of a larger geometric architectural language since it won’t be echoed elsewhere in the space.I didn’t say it would, I said its based on other buildings Stern built for Disney which use a post modern sorcerer hat as a motif
If you like the plans thats fine thats fine, I respect your opinion and I hope you like the final product
Personally I think putting post modern adornments on the existing buildings will be a horrible mishmash, not one thing or the other and I’d rather the money was spent elsewhere like retheming some of the soundstage buildings so you could have a coherent Hollywood area to connect the boulevards
No engineer here; would that space, and maybe some of the wooded area beyond, be enough room for a hotel incorporated into the edges of the park?I tend to agree that this overhaul seems like a placeholder project, intended to last until the later years of the 10-year, $60 billion investment plan (with $17 billion earmarked for WDW). That said, there's still plenty of land for Imagineering to work with, even if the 1989 animation building remains intact for the long term.
The areas highlighted below conceivably could form a new land/path from TSL over to Sunset Blvd.
Red area (Animation Expansion Office and surrounding back-of-house structures) = 7.3 acres
Blue area (parking garage and adjacent circulation) = 2.0 acres
Purple area (Walt Disney Presents and TSL access path) = 1.44 acres
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So with the parking garage gone you're looking at 10.47 acres to work with. 8.47 if the garage has to stay.
On average, attraction space usually takes up roughly 40-60% of a land's area. The rest is paths, restaurants, shops, etc.
For simplicity, let's say 50% of this redeveloped land is given to attractions, we're looking at 4.23 to 5.23 acres.
As a frame of reference, 4.23 acres would be enough space for attractions similar in size to It's a Small World, Frozen Ever After, and Star Tours to coexist.
The point is, Imagineering still has viable options on this side of the park—regardless of how long this new/returning attraction is expected to last.
Play was an awful idea, you’ll get no debate from me there. However, a lot of your arguments here would seem to apply even more to Animation Courtyard - it’s a huge dead spot at the Studios and, unlike WoL, it can’t simply be walled off - it’s left to fester for all to see. As you properly point out with Play!, this is just cutting off a massive expansion pad in a park that has fewer then EPCOT - a space that could have held Monsters very easily and saved Muppets. I’m also not sure why you feel this will have a shorter lifespan then Play - I trust Len but I sure don’t trust Disney.
What’s the timing for this? Completions and openings in phases? 6 months total work, can we guess complete opening in April 2026?
Again, looks like facade work, some demo and landscaping. Inside the Annimation building is a bunch of soft materials and some tech.
@lentesta maybe you have an idea when?
Am I reading too much into this concept art or is this a gateway to something in the back of the courtyard. That just leads to backstage areas, right? It has been a long time since I stepped foot in that part of the park.
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And b) if this happens to free up $$$$ for other mid size upgrades throughout WDW (cough Figment) it is a good move. Instead of pouring a half billion or more into a Simpsons land.I’m happy they’re doing this because:
1) it’s near the center of the park and not utilized in a meaningful way
2) it includes offerings the park needs
3) you can pop in without a LL or lengthy queue (even the M&Gs will be air-conditioned
4) like others, I’m skeptical of any further additions to DHS for awhile. We will have a new CEO and there’s no predicting their priorities so I much prefer to have something acceptable there before Iger goes
No real downside here. It improves the park and we lose nothing.
Intent that far out in some regards is rather meaningless. This project is not legally temporary so it will be built to be just as permanent as anything. They may not go through the expense of better snd custom work but it will still generally be able to last for a good while. There is also nothing approved yet and there should be a leadership shakeup next year, anything not already in motion will be at serious risk of no longer being a priority.There's no guarantee that it will have a shorter lifespan, but I don't believe Disney intends this to be a permanent solution the way they intended Play! to be a permanent solution. Play! was guaranteed to last a long time because that was always the intent; this isn't.
I certainly don't think this is some kind of major win for DHS, but I don't think it really moves the needle there positively or negatively, whereas I think Play! would have had a long term detrimental effect on EPCOT.
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