MK All-New Nighttime Parade Disney Starlight Set to Debut at Magic Kingdom in 2025

TheMaxRebo

Well-Known Member
Well, I guess hate isn't the right word. Wasn't really referring to anyone specific just general online sentiment, not only on these boards. Maybe not hate, I guess just the heavy criticism? I'm not sure how to describe it.

I get it - does feel like more negativity by volume of words as a lot of the posts are like

"Glad to have a nighttime parade back and think Starlight is pretty good ... Now here are 17 detailed bullet points of things I don't like about it/should be changed or added"

But I think most people like it, but hoping to be blown away and feel it falls short. Like would give it a 6 or 7 out of 10 when hoping for a 9 or 10
 

brb1006

Well-Known Member
Really wish this had an intro similar to MSEP, but I guess they can’t say ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls anymore

I really want to like this parade and the lighting effects on some are nice, but it falls flat to me. We get excited about something new at Disney but let’s be honest here, there is a lack of characters, things happening in between the larger floats, and more….many little things could make it so much better.
It needs more filler content and smaller floats that interacted with guests.
 

ToTBellHop

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Tokyo/OLC and occasionally Paris proves that Disney is still capable of making high quality shows and parades. Tokyo is the only Disney Park that still makes actual anniversary parades instead of cavalcades.
They have survey data suggesting 10-15 minute parades are the perfect length. Can’t delay guests too long with LLs to get to!
 

Disney Analyst

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This is how the entire industry operates today. There is a core of people in the team with design, project management, and other skills, and then you staff up with specific expertise needed for a project. Or you can complete the core design and then put the actual construction of the project out to bid to companies with the unique expertise required to fulfill your project's needs. It doesn't make sense for any organization like Imagineering or Universal Creative to have staff with every single skill that could be needed, not to mention developing and maintaining manufacturing capabilities for everything they need to operate the parks. There is an entire industry out there (lots of it based in Orlando in recent years) that develops and builds these sorts of things for themed entertainment all over the world.

When you're doing something like building a new park you hire people with all the skills you need as 'Project Hires' to work on that project and their employment ends when the project is delivered to operations. If you don't do that, you end up constantly laying people off when big projects end and you don't have enough work to keep them busy. How does that make sense?

The problem is not that Disney sends it off to a contractor. There are great contractors out there. It's that they, more often than not, send it out to the lowest bidding contractor. Take the EPCOT lighting package, for example (though that was done by a subcontractor).

Right, I was speaking more along the lines of what Brian said.

There was a time when Disney built more stuff in house. And so the question I should have posed was… is the way the industry works these days, contracting out to the lowest bidder, causing the quality issues we see?

There are quality issues on the floats. Are those design flaws, or construction flaws?
 

SpectroBro

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In the Parks
Yes
Absolutely and I think we all know who among us complain about everything.

Don’t touch BtY! We will end up with a 12-minute parade with no villains!
It’s a parade of old barely hanging on floats from the 80s. I was in Boo to You for four seasons and have a lot of fond memories of it, but it’s time has come and gone. They should use the same song and title, but get actual Halloween floats purposefully built for the parade. It is currently a parade made entirely of hand-me-downs.
 

donsullivan

Premium Member
Right, I was speaking more along the lines of what Brian said.

There was a time when Disney built more stuff in house. And so the question I should have posed was… is the way the industry works these days, contracting out to the lowest bidder, causing the quality issues we see?

There are quality issues on the floats. Are those design flaws, or construction flaws?
I believe I saw the example of the Epcot ground lighting issues referenced in this topic. That is a poster child example of something like this and what most miss is the ridiculous, but nonetheless real reasons why some of this stuff takes so long to get fixed. Please note, I have no specific facts on this but having worked in the industry the patterns are pretty similar. 1) You create a design you want to implement. 2) You put the design out for proposals on how to implement what you want/ 3) you get to a final design and bid the building and installation of the 'thing' you want to deploy. it goes in and everything seems to work until some random event causes it to stop working.

In the case of the Epcot ground lights they break and stop working. Keep in mind this whole thing is 100% custom designed and built for this installation. When something breaks you can't order replacement parts from Amazon for same day delivery. And then the lawyers get involved around warranty and contract terms and redesign for purpose because the thing doesn't work and the whole process of fixing the show elements grinds to a halt for an interminable time.

Then once everyone agrees on the remediation plan (and who is paying for it) an entire process to redesign and refabricate the system or solution can go forward. Now, you are going to demand that the replacement be aggressively stress tested to make sure it will work for the intended purpose and under the intended conditions. This takes absolutely forever to complete a redesign and truly stress test it for purpose. Then you have to get park OPS to agree to an installation window when the construction walls can go up so the paving can be pulled up for re-installation of the new version.

I know nobody likes it, but this is the sort of real-world stuff that surrounds things like this. Nobody wanted it to happen and it was pretty likely not done on purpose but fixing it is WAY more complicated and tedious than many around here are willing to accept for something as simple as ground lighting.
 

brb1006

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This doesn’t remind me of spectro at all.
What made Spectromagic stand out more was the color scheme they used for the characters. Unlike other electrical parades, Spectro used the color white, grey, yellow, blue, silver costumes. It gave the parade its own identity since it didn't use the traditional character costumes.
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With the exception of the Sleeping Beauty, Little Mermaid, and Fantasia sections. All the character costumes were colored white and grey with the lights during the finale changing it colors that closely resembled their traditional appearance. Hints the rainbow and white paint buckets on Fifer, Fiddler, and Practical Pig's float.
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Spectromagic's unique costumes helped give the parade a much regal and special tone. Starlight took a simpler approach for the character costumes where they looked traditional. Besides The Blue Fairy, I can't remember which character wore costumes with lights on them.
 
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brb1006

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another thing to note - the characters are mouthing to pre-recorded dialogue.

In MSEP the characters were on mic and were speaking live.
Remember when Pete from Pete's Dragon would alternate between a male or female? You could easily tell by hearing the character's voice from a few blocks away back in the 80s and 90s.
 

brb1006

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That was one of my questions. I was unable to tell if they were mouthing the words or actually talking due to the distance away from the camera.
At least the International Disney Parks (mainly Paris and Tokyo) have an excuse on giving pre-recorded dialogue to the face characters.
 

AxolotlTales

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Right, I was speaking more along the lines of what Brian said.

There was a time when Disney built more stuff in house. And so the question I should have posed was… is the way the industry works these days, contracting out to the lowest bidder, causing the quality issues we see?

There are quality issues on the floats. Are those design flaws, or construction flaws?
To my knowledge, or from what I've seen, outsourcing floats has been done since around the 2000s. Though different elements are outsourced depending on what's needed. I know companies like Garner Holt, AES, L3DFX, and a few others are responsible for some of the stuff you see in most of the recent parades. I think Paint the Night's light programming was outsourced too if I remember correctly. I don't think it's necessarily bad they outsource as most advancements are happening outside of Disney. The quality issues, specifically their actual construction, wouldn't be at complete fault of the companies who fabricated it. Disney is usually very strict with the budgets they put into these projects. If you cheap out on making the product you'll end up with something cheap. So while the 3rd party company is still responsible for the actual production, Disney is also still responsible for making sure they invested enough for it to be high quality.
 

brb1006

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It’s a parade of old barely hanging on floats from the 80s. I was in Boo to You for four seasons and have a lot of fond memories of it, but it’s time has come and gone. They should use the same song and title, but get actual Halloween floats purposefully built for the parade. It is currently a parade made entirely of hand-me-downs.
Same with the Once Upon a Christmas Time Parade which also consists of 80s and 90s era floats.
 

brb1006

Well-Known Member
When MSEP was created there wasn’t the parade route audio tech there is now either
The Disneyland version of PTN used to have Ariel talking live to guests. They eventually removed it a few years later.

A non-electrical parade example is that Walt Disney's Parade of Dreams had Alice and the Mad Hatter speaking live while the Queen of Hearts was pre-recorded.
 

TrainsOfDisney

Well-Known Member
I don't think it's necessarily bad they outsource as most advancements are happening outside of Disney.
Yes and there are also different levels of outsourcing. Disney worked with Arrow for the Matterhorn. It’s not anything new.
When MSEP was created there wasn’t the parade route audio tech there is now either
A speaker that can amplify a live mic can just as easily amplify pre-recorded audio.

Live mics would be more complex vs. pre-recorded. Not the other way around.

It was also a gray area for equity contracts.

I still liked it… was a nice, charming touch.
 

Supernova

Member
Also I wish they could have done some sort of minimalistic starlight projection on the castle. The initial concept art seemed to suggest they would. I know it’s just concept art, but feels like a missed opportunity that would have added a bit more energy
 

AKL2003

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Just adding my two cents from watching these both online and not in-person yet… Starlight and the new DHS Villains show seemingly would both benefit greatly if they were just “filled in” (live characters and background dancers) a bit. Just a little added to each would make such a difference. (with that being said the parade looks beautiful 😍)
 

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