MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[lazyboy97o]

Yes, input from people with actual knowledge of the project and what it entails is definitely useful.

“Oh boy, rocks!” - maybe not so much.

A lot of the things being discussed don’t require more specific knowledge to evaluate. Most of the critiques are on the scale of urban design, where it’s about shaping large spaces and not the detail of things like specific content. But that’s a knowledge and skill set not everyone has so it gets dismissed as just not being possible.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Yes, input from people with actual knowledge of the project and what it entails is definitely useful.

“Oh boy, rocks!” - maybe not so much.

When you go to the movies, do you just wander into a random theater without knowing what movie is playing? Or do you judge what you might like to see based on trailers, commercials, past experiences with the cast or crew or IP, etc?

Also… some folks on this board do have specialized knowledge that is relevant to the present conversation…

 

[Chi84]

When you go to the movies, do you just wander into a random theater without knowing what movie is playing? Or do you judge what you might like to see based on trailers, commercials, past experiences with the cast or crew or IP, etc?

Also… some folks on this board do have specialized knowledge that is relevant to the present conversation…

Does it go both ways, though? Why do others get to constantly point out that folks who accept and enjoy change don’t truly understand the essence of Disney?

I’m onboard with the idea that discussion is a good thing if new ideas are brought up and considered. Sometimes it devolves into the same arguments trying to convince people who are coming from a different place.

 

[Tha Realest]

It isn't Walt Disney's MK.

Correct. The Magic Kingdom is just the flagship park at Walt Disney World resort.

 

[Tha Realest]

When you go to the movies, do you just wander into a random theater without knowing what movie is playing? Or do you judge what you might like to see based on trailers, commercials, past experiences with the cast or crew or IP, etc?

Also… some folks on this board do have specialized knowledge that is relevant to the present conversation…

It’s also worth mentioning that in many books and recent documentaries/YT series/shorts WDI loves to compliment themselves in terms of exquisite placemaking and aesthetics. Heck, one could argue many of their initiatives have prioritized how “Instagrammable” these new projects will be.

To suggest this is not art, or that intangible aesthetics are unworthy of consideration, runs contrary to the mythic image WDI has pushed of itself in recent years.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

You lost me at the first sentence. Art is not subjective. It can be objectively evaluated. There’s a reason most people think a building with modern architecture is hideous but will stand in line to visit St Peter’s Basilica or Notre Dame de Paris. It’s because some art is better. Some people are better at creating art. That’s a cold hard fact. It’s also not a very nice one, but it is true.

Okay so you said "most people"... do you not understand what subjective is?

If you can't say ALL people think something is hideous, something being that way is not an objective fact. There is objective parts of art (symmetry, technique, perspective) but the beauty and impact of the work are constantly being filtered through cultural and personal lenses. That's exactly why what is considered "great art" changes across time and society. If art was objective, there would be no disagreements about it. Modern architecture definitely has a home and people definitely line up and make trips to go see it? Also, do you think the people who spend the money on it just what? Hate it?

It's like saying taste or smell is objective. Yeah there's certain parts that are objective. Something can be sour or sweet, symmetrical or not. That doesn't mean everyone will view it the same way.

 

[Chi84]

What is the “essence” of Disney World?

That’s my point.

 

[Disstevefan1]

What is the “essence” of Disney World?

 

[FinePhotoGraphx]

Sad to see the Rivers of America levels drained. I wish Disney had made some ROA or Tom Sawyer's Island commemorative merch, but I guess it's not profitable enough for them. At least some creative folks over at Etsy have made some shirts.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Does it go both ways, though? Why do others get to constantly point out that folks who accept and enjoy change don’t truly understand the essence of Disney?

This is the weird contradiction. People say they don’t care but then get upset when it’s noted that they said they don’t care. If your concern is just whether or not it’s fun and not anything like design theory, what exactly do you want when people discuss design theory? It seems more like you and others want your views to be considered more but also don’t want to articulate a view beyond “it’s fun.” That’s been acknowledged. Nobody has said you can’t or should not have fun but it’s also just not really a comment related to design theory.

 

[Chi84]

This is the weird contradiction. People say they don’t care but then get upset when it’s noted that they said they don’t care. If your concern is just whether or not it’s fun and not anything like design theory, what exactly do you want when people discuss design theory? It seems more like you and others want your views to be considered more but also don’t want to articulate a view beyond “it’s fun.” That’s been acknowledged. Nobody has said you can’t or should not have fun but it’s also just not really a comment related to design theory.

I care quite a bit. I would hate to see WDW turn into a lifeless Six Flags.

I think the designs shown so far will fit nicely into Frontierland while providing more to do.

Maybe the disagreement is that I consider WDW primarily a place for families to vacation and believe the design needs to work in service to that purpose instead of the other way around.

 

[Disgruntled Walt]

Just returned from WDW, and I was very happy that for the first few days of the trip, my family was able to enjoy the views of the RoA as if nothing was happening. We had a magical moment last Tuesday watching the fireworks from the RoA, my niece and nephews seeing it all for the first time. I felt gruntled! I continue to be saddened by this, but I had my moment of farewell.

 

[Casper Gutman]

I care quite a bit. I would hate to see WDW turn into a lifeless Six Flags.

I think the designs shown so far will fit nicely into Frontierland while providing more to do.

“Fit nicely” on what terms? You’ve dismissed the idea that theme parks are works of art or sites of historical and cultural significance, so what defines a “fit?”

Maybe the disagreement is that I consider WDW primarily a place for families to vacation and believe the design needs to work in service to that purpose instead of the other way around.

What is “the other way around” and who believes it?

 

[aladdin2007]

Im having a hard time seeing how this will be nothing but a berm of rocks around frontierland, with a small creek and a lot of different small trees here and there, maybe some geysers, with nothing more to do than the cars rally in the middle of and or on the backside of it and that's it. And the view from Liberty Square is what, just more of the rock formations and maybe some tall peaks closing in the area? (Going to be an extra hot park without that river) See they are plopping something down in the middle where nothing around it fits now except for maybe the jamboree and on around. The mansion is still unknown, its all creating a mish mash, all they have shown us is a silly cartoon map. Thats not convincing. I want to see something convincing, all I have heard about in the interviews they have done are rock designs, and seen a kindergarten style map.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Maybe the disagreement is that I consider WDW primarily a place for families to vacation and believe the design needs to work in service to that purpose

Is a riverboat not family friendly? It’s one of the few rides that all members of the family can enjoy together. To me, it’s the definition of family friendly.

 

[el_super]

And of course, you misrepresent completely what posters are saying. No one is saying this is going to shut down MK. You’re hyperbolizing

What consequences do you think there will be from removing the river?

Let's not pretend that some haven't pitched grave consequences towards this removal. It is an essential part in trying to claim the high ground in these arguments: that the parks are being harmed in disasterous and permanent ways.

Otherwise these arguments just boil down to, my art is more important than your art. It's all subjective though.

 

[Chi84]

“Fit nicely” on what terms? You’ve dismissed the idea that theme parks are works of art or sites of historical and cultural significance, so what defines a “fit?”

What is “the other way around” and who believes it?

It fits nicely into the aesthetic of the area. A park doesn’t have to be a work of art or of cultural significance to look nice or have a themed area.

The other way around is dismissing the idea of a cars attraction in that area because it doesn’t fit the Frontierland theme.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Let's not pretend that some haven't pitched grave consequences towards this removal. It is an essential part in trying to claim the high ground in these arguments: that the parks are being harmed in disasterous and permanent ways.

It’s definitely a major step towards an IP and ride based park - more similar to Universal Studios.

At Disneyland Park they have managed to add IP’s while keeping almost all of the charm in some way. (Except for the goats. May they rest in peace!)

 

[mlayton144]

Yeah

They could have easily added to the scenery and settings instead of removing things over time... The riverboat could have told a much more engaging story and journey if they had invested in new sets and features....which would have also benefitted the lackluster views from the train. If our train and riverboat had more to see, attendance would never have a dip...but like most things MK, they let it go....and let it go for far too long. Likewise with TSI, the added practically nothing to that island since it opened in the early 70s. They could have added new features here and there over the years....they could have made Aunt Polly's a real destination location for an insta-worthy snack you could only get there... new additions could have kept the island more popular... Revisiting it for the last time a month ago was particularly sad with the state of decay... water features dried up and not flowing...Mill no longer operational...areas roped off... ugly cool-white lightbulbs in the cavern and escape tunnel lanterns.... All bad show... The Fort looked pretty good though!

“A”for effort on that response - a snack/quick service location that no one can get to without waiting 15 minutes to ride a raft there - And what do you mean things that could have “kept” the island popular? When was that ? Was it anytime after the internet was born ?

 

[flynnibus]

missed opportunity to make TSI into a pokemon go haven...