DHS Monster Inc Land Coming to Disney's Hollywood Studios

[JaketheSnake]

I haven't seen anyone mention that they moved the entire coaster building back 50 feet between the two different art renderings. They also added the 'removed' cars into the area by the coaster. As well as the shad structures to the left to f the building entrance, significantly increasing the size of the entire land.

 

[erasure fan1]

Let’s not pretend they don’t have future plans for that space down the road.

Just out of curiosity. What has Disney done that would make you think it will do anything with AC in the next 10+ years? Or is down the road something like 2045? I just don't think they'll do anything of any real substance in the next 15yrs, probably longer.

 

[flyerjab]

Personally, I disagree. To each their own though.

I am also legitimately excited for the ride, not merely trying to be clever. Little insulting to infer otherwise.

I am excited as well. It’s no secret that the door coaster has been discussed for some time on these very boards. No one here ever said it was a bad concept. A suspended coaster design for a door coaster attraction is excellent, and will be a huge draw in this park.

 

[HauntedPirate]

Since I can't seem to find the most recent information online ($19 billion through 2017 is what I found), and others claim the Cars merchandising is HUGE, what are the merchandise sales numbers for the Cars franchise since 2020? Burden of proof is on those who make the "HUGE" claim, not me.

ETA: A bulk of that $19 billion in merchandise sales ($16.7 billion, roughly) was a decade or more ago.

 

[mattpeto]

They absolutely don’t care. A few fans online would complain while the great majority would remain brand loyal. In a year or two Disney will start selling Muppets 3D merch to profit off the removal.

A lot of folks believe Disney thinks like park fans. It doesn’t.

They do care. It's why they are sticking the Muppets at RnR, instead of abandoning them at the parks completely.

 

[Casper Gutman]

They do care. It's why they are sticking the Muppets at RnR, instead of abandoning them at the parks completely.

I’m sorry, but I don’t see how you can make this argument after the last decade. Posters keep clinging to the idea, being proven wrong, and then refusing to adjust. I mean - look at the rhetoric about the Splash to Tiana debacle, which has just been willfully forgotten by a huge number of folks.

Disney is putting Muppets in RnR because it is a very cheap makeover featuring an in-house IP replacing an outside IP that absolutely must go.

 

[neo999955]

I haven't seen anyone mention that they moved the entire coaster building back 50 feet between the two different art renderings. They also added the 'removed' cars into the area by the coaster. As well as the shad structures to the left to f the building entrance, significantly increasing the size of the entire land.

I couldn't tell if they actually did increase space or just had really rough concert art to start with. But it does seem like they increased the size and that seems pretty positive.

I just hope the coaster can reach 2 mins of actual coaster time, anything less always feels like such a disappointment to me, especially when Hollywood's other coaster is so short.

 

[Purduevian]

Since I can't seem to find the most recent information online ($19 billion through 2017 is what I found), and others claim the Cars merchandising is HUGE, what are the merchandise sales numbers for the Cars franchise since 2020? Burden of proof is on those who make the "HUGE" claim, not me.

ETA: A bulk of that $19 billion in merchandise sales ($16.7 billion, roughly) was a decade or more ago.

Is 19 billion dollars not enough for you?
That's more that Harry Potter ($7.11 billion), Spiderman ($14.526 billion), and Looney tunes ($16.777 billion).

I'm sure some of the numbers are outdated... but its a top 20 merchandising franchise of all time even at the 19 billion number.

 

[aladdin2007]

The quality of this land will depend on the little details that can enhance the world building. Will they phone it in, or will they have as many (if not more) charming details as the original Muppets section? Make it feel like it’s truly lived in.

This is where my thought process is as well, the new art looks nice and more fleshed out etc, but what about details, is this going to be a bland extension of the generic tap house and ugly apartment facade across the way, or have sights and sounds that really make it Monstropolis. They removed the little cars from the art among other things, yes the fountain looks so much better, but I hope there are little details a plenty to take in.

 

[mattpeto]

Since I can't seem to find the most recent information online ($19 billion through 2017 is what I found), and others claim the Cars merchandising is HUGE, what are the merchandise sales numbers for the Cars franchise since 2020? Burden of proof is on those who make the "HUGE" claim, not me.

ETA: A bulk of that $19 billion in merchandise sales ($16.7 billion, roughly) was a decade or more ago.

I see your point.

I think Disney thinks these are its constraints:

• Frontierland is no longer a viable concept. Americans haven't watched family-friendly Westerns, as a genre, in TV or movies in probably sixty years.
• New rides have to be attached to a commercially viable IP franchise to reduce risk
• New Lightning Lane revenue is a key consideration for future development

We can argue all day about whether those should be the constraints. But for the sake of argument, can we accept those as more or less the things Disney thinks are true?

Here are the top-grossing Disney IP from that list above, and their approximate revenue. I'm not sure how up to date it is for any particular franchise:

• Mickey Mouse ($61.2B)
• Winnie the Pooh ($48.5B)
• Star Wars ($46.7B)
• Disney Princesses ($45.4B)
• The Marvel MCU ($32.9B)
• Spider-Man ($25.5B)
• Cars ($21.5B)
• The Lion King ($15.2B)
• Toy Story ($14.8B)
• Avengers ($14.3B)
• Frozen ($13.9B)
• Pirates of the Caribbean ($7.9B)
• Muppets/Sesame Street ($7.7B)
• X-Men ($7B)
• Ice Age ($6.4B)
• Avatar ($5.78B)
• Beauty and the Beast ($3.52B)
• Iron Man ($2.9B)
• Guardians of the Galaxy ($2.71B)
• Indiana Jones ($2.6B)

Let's cross out on the list the things Disney can't build in Florida (e.g., Marvel), and highlight in red the ones that already have substantial presence somewhere else in WDW.

The ones in green are the ones left to choose from, using the criteria above:

• Mickey Mouse ($61.2B) - Hollywood Studios
• Winnie the Pooh ($48.5B) - Magic Kingdom
• Star Wars ($46.7B) - Hollywood Studios
• Disney Princesses ($45.4B) - Magic Kingdom
• The Marvel MCU ($32.9B)
• Spider-Man ($25.5B)
• Cars ($21.5B)
• The Lion King ($15.2B) - Animal Kingdom
• Toy Story ($14.8B) - Hollywood Studios
• Avengers ($14.3B)
• Frozen ($13.9B) - EPCOT, Hollywood Studios
• Pirates of the Caribbean ($7.9B) - Magic Kingdom
• Muppets/Sesame Street ($7.7B) - Hollywood Studios
• X-Men ($7B)
• Ice Age ($6.4B)
• Avatar ($5.78B) - Animal Kingdom
• Beauty and the Beast ($3.52B) - Magic Kingdom, Hollywood Studios
• Iron Man ($2.9B)
• Guardians of the Galaxy ($2.71B) - EPCOT
• Indiana Jones ($2.6B) - Hollywood Studios, Animal Kingdom

That helps understand what's happening here, right?

Edit: X-Men crossed out b/c Universal

 

[MisterPenguin]

Hey, remember how people said no one really cared about Avatar any more as proved by no one remembering the names of the characters and it was just a one-time phenomenon 15 years ago fueled by a handful of people mesmerized by the CGI and kept going back for repeated viewings while every single person in the world moved on and would have no care to go to an Avatar-themed land?

Yeah, fun time.

 

[MisterPenguin]

It’s not imminent but it will happen.

How many offices have opened up in the Starcruiser so far?

 

[peter11435]

As far as I know they also rent this particular building out to other people sometimes so I'm sure they like the money generated by having an office IN a theme park.

I’m not really sure what you’re referring to here

 

[Dreamer19]

Hey, remember how people said no one really cared about Avatar any more as proved by no one remembering the names of the characters and it was just a one-time phenomenon 15 years ago fueled by a handful of people mesmerized by the CGI and kept going back for repeated viewings while every single person in the world moved on and would have no care to go to an Avatar-themed land?

Yeah, fun time.

Avatar - the most popular franchise no one talks about.

I bet you were going to find out one day that the Avatar budget and box office is a giant money laundering scheme.

That being said, I will probably pay money to go and see those next three or four mediocre cartoons. I have to see what happens to Jack Sully…

 

[MisterPenguin]

I bet you were going to find out one day that the Avatar budget and box office is a money laundering scheme.

 

[ctrlaltdel]

I couldn't tell if they actually did increase space or just had really rough concert art to start with. But it does seem like they increased the size and that seems pretty positive.

I just hope the coaster can reach 2 mins of actual coaster time, anything less always feels like such a disappointment to me, especially when Hollywood's other coaster is so short.

It not being a launch coaster and the lift being a main feature (not sure if you would count it) makes me think it will be close. If it’s as long as the model shows (or close), it will probably get there.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Hey, remember how people said no one really cared about Avatar any more

Does anybody care about Avatar in a theme park setting? The DAK land is nicely done - but do people care about the franchise like Harry Potter, etc.?

 

[DarkMetroid567]

The denial of the Avatar IP’s success by park fans is hilarious. By the way r/Disneyland speaks of it, you’d think DCA Avatar is dead on arrival.

 

[Moth]

Judging by the above posted quote about viable franchises based on overall revenue...

What's the over and under on Ice Age joining WDW?

 

[ToTBellHop]

This theater discussion is laughably ridiculous. People really think they’ll build a brand new coaster but won’t, at the bare minimum, make a new 3D show to run in an existing theater? That will cost pennies compared to the coaster. And they are currently making a new 3D show elsewhere and just opened two new shows in this park. They’ll clearly spend money on new shows, especially in existing spaces.

Obviously, there will be a show in the theater clearly depicted given that they’ve said there will be a new show.

It’s far more reasonable to take the viewpoint that the new show won’t measure up to MV3D. For Muppet fans, I doubt anything could.