MK The Hall of Presidents closing for refurbishment on January 20, 2025

TrainsOfDisney

TrainsOfDisney

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mentioning the riverboat reminded me of how people don’t seem to want to experience the park that Walt wanted anymore.

Swiss Family Treehouse, Riverboat, Presidents, Tom Sawyer Island….. these are attractions that Walt wanted. Along with Jungle Cruise, Tiki Room, Steam Train, etc.
 
Disstevefan1

Disstevefan1

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Dranth said:
Close to it according to TP anyway. The only attractions below it are:
  • The Riverboat - Already being replaced.
  • Barnstormer - Can't see them replacing a kids coaster anytime soon.
  • Tomorrowland Speedway - Which I think is the other top candidate for next to go.
  • Swiss Family - Not sure what they could do with this. Retheme it maybe, but unlikely for an entire replacement.
  • Astro Orbiter - Can't do much else with this space.
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I am joining late and may be mis understanding, TP says Barnstormer is less popular than HoP??
 
Bocabear

Bocabear

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TrainsOfDisney said:
mentioning the riverboat reminded me of how people don’t seem to want to experience the park that Walt wanted anymore.

Swiss Family Treehouse, Riverboat, Presidents, Tom Sawyer Island….. these are attractions that Walt wanted. Along with Jungle Cruise, Tiki Room, Steam Train, etc.
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Maybe some people don't want that...but when there are 4 parks, let those people find other things to do rather then the few targeted bits they don't like... I know many people that love every one of those attractions...and do utilize them.
While I enjoy the coasters in the Magic Kingdom I don't think everything needs to become a coaster or thrill ride.
They should actually designate one of the 4 parks as the Thrill park...Maybe DHS... but I don't think we need to tear apart what is already the country's most popular and most highly visited theme park in the world....because some people don't like the riverboat.....
 
Bocabear

Bocabear

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who reviewed it? Reviews are always subject to the bias of the website's readership... so among Touring Plans readership, they feel these attractions are less popular... I don't know why the lines are long for them...I suppose other people like them that are not rating the attractions on Touring Plans....
 
Dranth

Dranth

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Bocabear said:
Exactly...lol Barnstormer and Astro-orbiter always have long lines...as does The Speedway... so therefor I say their info is incorrect....
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Wait, length of line is a more accurate measure of popularity between attractions that all have very different capacity instead of actual customer reviews? Maybe I am misunderstanding but that seems like an odd take.

For example, Barnstormer can handle something like 450 guests an hour, so a four hour line there is the equivalent number of people as a roughly 30-40 minute line at Big Thunder. Bottom line is the "long" lines it sees are a result of poor capacity, not droves of people flocking to it.
 
The Leader of the Club

The Leader of the Club

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TrainsOfDisney said:
mentioning the riverboat reminded me of how people don’t seem to want to experience the park that Walt wanted anymore.

Swiss Family Treehouse, Riverboat, Presidents, Tom Sawyer Island….. these are attractions that Walt wanted. Along with Jungle Cruise, Tiki Room, Steam Train, etc.
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Don’t get me wrong, I love the classic vibes at Disney parks, but I don’t think we can expect a 21st century audience to be impressed with everything that was designed in the 1960s. Tastes change. It’s a testament to the original imagineers that things like Jungle Cruise, Tiki Room, and Small World remain as popular as they are. But I think its fair that the early C, B, and A tickets aren’t resonating anymore.
 
TrainsOfDisney

TrainsOfDisney

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The Leader of the Club said:
Don’t get me wrong, I love the classic vibes at Disney parks, but I don’t think we can expect a 21st century audience to be impressed with everything that was designed in the 1960s. Tastes change.
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Do they? Is Epic what everyone wants?

Is DHS what everyone wants? When muppets leaves that park is just gonna be IP of the day except for Tower of Terror which barely survived an IP update itself.
 
Dranth

Dranth

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TrainsOfDisney said:
Attendance numbers. Philharmagic is more popular than hall of presidents based on actual daily attendance for example.
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So, instead of using the data where people actually recorded their feelings about an attraction, on a site that specializes in data collection no less, we instead are going to count how many people get on a ride? So, your view is that anyone who gets on a ride liked it? There aren't any first timers who went on it and aren't going to again because they didn't care for it? No one who is only riding something so someone else in the group can? No one ever rides something they think it just okay to fill out the day?

Maybe you love every last attraction you get in line for but I don't. My feelings run the full gambit of active dislike to love and everything in-between. Just counting number of people does not capture ANY of that.
 
TrainsOfDisney

TrainsOfDisney

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Dranth said:
So, instead of using the data where people actually recorded their feelings about an attraction, on a site that specializes in data collection no less, we instead are going to count how many people get on a ride?
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You can use the data - it’s subjective.

It’s silly for example, to say that Barnstormer is one of the least popular attractions at the MK. Its target audience absolutely loves it. I’m not the target audience - so I would rank it at the bottom (especially since they evicted the chickens!).
 
Dranth

Dranth

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TrainsOfDisney said:
You can use the data - it’s subjective.

It’s silly for example, to say that Barnstormer is one of the least popular attractions at the MK. Its target audience absolutely loves it. I’m not the target audience - so I would rank it at the bottom (especially since they evicted the chickens!).
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Okay, I see where you are coming from and the TP data supports that as Preschool and Grade school both rate it highly while it falls off the older you get.

That doesn't change the fact that is one of the least popular attractions OVERALL in the park currently which is what I was listing. If we wanted to look by age group it would be very different but either way, it isn't going anywhere exactly because it serves a specific group and fills a need. Replacing it wouldn't really accomplish much so why would they?

The whole point of my original post was that of the rides with the lowest current ratings, HoP and the Speedway are the only two big enough to actual do something with that aren't already being replaced. Throw in modern issues with HoP and all the work getting ready to be done right near by (cars/villains) and it seems the most likely choice.
 
TalkingHead

TalkingHead

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Bocabear said:
Maybe some people don't want that...but when there are 4 parks, let those people find other things to do rather then the few targeted bits they don't like... I know many people that love every one of those attractions...and do utilize them.
While I enjoy the coasters in the Magic Kingdom I don't think everything needs to become a coaster or thrill ride.
They should actually designate one of the 4 parks as the Thrill park...Maybe DHS... but I don't think we need to tear apart what is already the country's most popular and most highly visited theme park in the world....because some people don't like the riverboat.....
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One of the blessings of property size should be the available space for entertainment variety. But alas.
 

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