On a cost per mile basis, it’s be about $27/gallon on a gas car comparable in size and function to my own car.
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Universal Epic Universe (South Expansion Complex) - Now Open!
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TalkToEthan
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Epcot is .35
Epic is likely .30 and not 3
My guess is this is a print mistake as that would be obscenely expensive——so high as to attract unwanted attention
Epic is likely .30 and not 3
My guess is this is a print mistake as that would be obscenely expensive——so high as to attract unwanted attention
donsullivan
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Animaniac93-98
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And consequentially, the Disney theme park experience is being changed to meet their expectations. "Instagramable" food, the removal of anything that isn't IP related, homogenized merchandise, and a larger emphasis on character meet and greets and entertainments and a deemphasis on the broader resort amenities. Instead of a true family experience with cross generational appeal, we have a narrowed, more obviously kid focused experience that happens to also appeal to people who are currently between the ages of 25-40.
We no longer have a Disney that would build something like Tower of Terror because it's not a ride based on a cartoon people watched on VHS 30 years ago. It's not recognizably Disney to a consumer today and not one of the company's key brands. And going to Disney and being seen at Disney is crucial for that social media snapshot.
It's digital on the charging provider's app (chargeup ev). I hope it's a placeholder or a mistake as well.
I'll be there Sunday, and I'll ask then.
davis_unoxx
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Ministry of Magic standby only today!
Tom Morrow
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Nailed it.
Yeah, when people on this forum are confused as to why many posters are frustrated with “Disney Adults” despite being a Disney-related forum, these are the reasons why.
Sir_Cliff
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I think this is a pretty spot-on description of what has been happening at the Disney parks.
What I find myself contemplating is whether Disney is actually just being smart in catering to the audiences where they are even though it is making the parks less appealing for me personally. In other words, is this just where the culture is whether people like myself like it or not?
Andrew C
You know what's funny?
Yeah. Good point...either way, they have pretty much lost/left me.
TennHokies
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This is huge news. I’m wondering when BoM will open each morning? I saw someone say 9am, if so it would be an advantage for Helios guests. Either way, the standby line is going to have a massive impact on all other wait times throughout the day. This park just got a lot more exciting - as expected!
Tom Morrow
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To some extent, yes. The culture has changed, and going all in on nerding out for a brand or IP is considered normal and cool.
But also Disney, with people like Iger running the show, realized its easier to make gains by just giving people what they already like instead of challenging them.
Side note- I want to say that Epic Universe actually does “challenge” visitors, somewhat. You have two lands that are tried and true loved franchises (Potter, Nintendo), but then you have an original land (Celestial Park), a land that is technically IP but not in the way we think of IP (Dark Universe - the monsters yes were in Universal films but are public domain stories and the land and its rides are not canon with any film or book), and Berk - an IP land no one really asked for or wanted but they went all in anyway, asking you to “try something new”.
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Animaniac93-98
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It never occurred to me as a child why Disney World had things like Big Thunder Mountain, despite not being based on a movie or having any recognizable characters. It was just another adventure in Disney World...a World where you could do and see so many different things all in one vacation. My older relatives loved WDW because it was a clean, attractive place in a warm climate to walk around, see some shows and have a nice meal. They especially loved EPCOT's World Showcase and the neighbouring hotels. IP was never the main reason to go.
But we've been in this kind of limbo for some time now where Disney's marketing and social media cache does not really reflect much of the actual park and resort infrastructure. I personally have appreciated how much of WED and Eisner era-WDI is still in the parks. Nothing wrong with Yacht and Beach Club, Tower of Terror, Jungle Cruise, Carousel of Progress, Spaceship Earth, American Adventure, Dinosaur, Tiki Room, Small World, etc as is, even if show quality is a concern.
But Disney has been on a tear of late, sinking billions into reshaping the parks for questionable gains given how popular they were pre-2020 and how much built in nostalgia and demand there already was. I get that new rides drive attendance new lighting lane sales, but there's no real way to know how much the IP factor actually makes a difference if IP is the only choice the consumer has.
Some newer Disney fans are discovering Living with the Land, Kilimanjaro Safaris, Expedition Everest, Jungle Cruise and more for the first time and finding something new to love they never knew existed. Others are dumbfounded by the existence of stuff like the Country Bear Jamboree (pre-update) and making it loud and clear why it needs to go and be replaced with something IP related that appeals to their personal identification with the Disney name. We're seeing this on display with the removal of RoA and some fans struggling to understand why there ever was a Riverboat in MK to begin with.
Disney World is big enough for the old and new to coexist. This is a company that made re-releases and remakes a key part of their business strategy. They have a limited grasp of the enduring, timeless appeal of rides like Haunted Mansion but can't fully comprehend why anyone liked it to begin with. Disney's narrow focus makes it easier for customers and stakeholders to follow along, but it's a short sighted limitation of the parks creative and audience potential and that's frustrating to those of us who knew or are aware of how they used to be.
Side note; as much as Tron is fun as a coaster that I personally can do, it's a ride that really deviates from the kind of multi-generational attraction that made Disney so popular to begin with. To tie this back to Epic Universe, I know people who don't care about going because they physically cannot do most of the rides. MK's original line up skewed heavily towards shows because Disney thought the park would see a high number of senior visitors. I'm not saying Disney can't build rides like DLP's Space Mountain, but that's another aspect of the age/appeal balance of the parks that's being overlooked. It's to Universal's detriment too that they lack rides that don't have a height requirement or risk causing physical discomfort.
DonniePeverley
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So at the risk of scouring 529 pages ..... whats the general consensus on this park ?
lazyboy97o
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Nonexistent, just like you predicted.
brb1006
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Actually it will be 4 hours.
What park?
brb1006
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Epic Universe
- Beautiful to be in
- Solid food and beverage
- Several genuinely excellent attractions
- But overall not enough attractions
- Better France Pavilion than Epcot
- Better Norway Pavilion than Epcot
- Not enough done to isolate from outside world/backstage views
- The most expensive EV charging on the planet (not hyperbole)
- Crowds that wouldn't phase other parks cause Epic to feel full.
- Virtual Line is a nightmare
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