DisneylandForward

[D.Silentu]

Seeing what’s in store with Tokyo Disneyland Adventureland overhaul had me squirming and NOT in a good way.

What's the buzz?

 

[Disney Irish]

Seeing what’s in store with Tokyo Disneyland Adventureland overhaul had me squirming and NOT in a good way.

I wouldn't push the panic button just yet, we know that OLC does their own thing for TDLR. So I wouldn't immediately try to attribute anything happening there with potential for DLF.

 

[Disney Irish]

What's the buzz?

Potential removal of classics like Jungle Cruise and others in favor of more IP based attractions.

 

[MisterPenguin]

What's happening at the Tokyo Disneyland Resort is being discussed in the Tokyo Disneyland Resort Expansion thread...

Post in thread 'Tokyo Disneyland Resort Expansion'

Monday at 3:33 PM

IP is everything at TDR. It’s what powers the massive Disney fandom in Japan. Much more so than in other countries.

I don’t know how concrete these plans are, but it wouldn’t surprise me at all to see them exchanging opening day attractions for unique IP attractions.

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[DLR92]

I wouldn't push the panic button just yet, we know that OLC does their own thing for TDLR. So I wouldn't immediately try to attribute anything happening there with potential for DLF.

Potential removal of classics like Jungle Cruise and others in favor of more IP based attractions.

I feel the concept given could be more stronger. I understand Japanese audience may not have the same adoration of the classics like Jungle Cruise. And it not original Disneyland. Tokyo Disneyland has their own history and culture that is separate of ours.

 

[Disney Irish]

I feel the concept given could be more stronger. I understand Japanese audience may not have the same adoration of the classics like Jungle Cruise. And it not original Disneyland. Tokyo Disneyland has their own history and culture that is separate of ours.

Its a "here is the potential" type of concept art for a 10 year plan, nothing is for sure so of course its vague and not very detailed. Its the same as the "concept art" we got for DLForward, nothing real detailed just basic indications of "what could be".

So I wouldn't take what is shown there as any real indication yet of anything for TDL, and certainly no indication of anything for DLForward.

 

[britain]

Its a "here is the potential" type of concept art for a 10 year plan, nothing is for sure so of course its vague and not very detailed. Its the same as the "concept art" we got for DLForward, nothing real detailed just basic indications of "what could be".

So I wouldn't take what is shown there as any real indication yet of anything for TDL, and certainly no indication of anything for DLForward.

Don’t forget Tokyo had a very detailed pieces of concept art for the relocated small world and the Alice in Wonderland fantasyland expansion. Then it got all thrown out and replaced with Beauty and the Beast.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Post in thread 'Tokyo Disneyland Resort Expansion'

Tuesday at 12:13 AM

A slightly different concept of the Port Discovery re-imagining was also included in the press release. I assume this is an older rendition.

Personally, I prefer the second concept art; everything feels more cohesive and complete. I hope they learn from the lack of shops at Fantasy Springs, and I don't want to alarm everyone, but I saw someone point out that part of the new building looks similar to the Sanctum Sanctorum.

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[SuddenStorm]

Yeah just kind of makes you wonder if anything is safe. And exposed coaster tracks in Adventureland? Yikes. Granted what we have going for us here is that we have all the original Walt touched attractions so that makes them a bit more safe but you never know. There are certain attractions like Jungle Cruise where I’d be ok with some modifications. As long as the jungle remains along with the skippers and elephant bathing pool. But outright getting rid of that 70 year old Jungle in the middle of Anaheim - no way. ROA has already been shrunk down and I view it as untouchable outside of possibly retheming Pirates Lair on TSI. Storybookland is untouchable outside of swapping out some of the miniatures not named Cinderella, Snow White, Pinocchio…

I'd argue Fantasyland as it stands now is relatively untouchable, except for maybe altering the old Motor boat cruise dock.

 

[mickEblu]

I'd argue Fantasyland as it stands now is relatively untouchable, except for maybe altering the old Motor boat cruise dock.

Most definitely. I only specifically brought up those areas in the post you quoted because those are the areas I fear could be targeted due to their size and lack of IP. I feel like the FL dark rides and flat rides are pretty safe.

Pooh is the only attraction on the west side of the park I feel is not safe. Perhaps a BTMRR IPifcation at some point. Toontown I can see Roger being on the chopping block soon. Matterhorn I think they’ll run into the ground. Tomorrowland of course is fair game except for Space Mountain or at least some version of Space Mountain and probably the Monorail even if rerouted.

 

[DLR92]

Most definitely. I only specifically brought up those areas in the post you quoted because those are the areas I fear could be targeted due to their size and lack of IP. I feel like the FL dark rides and flat rides are pretty safe.

Pooh is the only attraction on the west side of the park I feel is not safe. Perhaps a BTMRR IPifcation at some point. Toontown I can see Roger being on the chopping block soon. Matterhorn I think they’ll run into the ground. Tomorrowland of course is fair game except for Space Mountain or at least some version of Space Mountain and probably the Monorail even if rerouted.

Pooh is one of the few attractions I wouldn’t shed a tear. I expect Autopia to retire some point too.

I would cry for Roger Rabbit though.

 

[Gusey]

Most definitely. I only specifically brought up those areas in the post you quoted because those are the areas I fear could be targeted due to their size and lack of IP. I feel like the FL dark rides and flat rides are pretty safe.

Pooh is the only attraction on the west side of the park I feel is not safe. Perhaps a BTMRR IPifcation at some point. Toontown I can see Roger being on the chopping block soon. Matterhorn I think they’ll run into the ground. Tomorrowland of course is fair game except for Space Mountain or at least some version of Space Mountain and probably the Monorail even if rerouted.

I feel like for the 2023 Toontown renovation, they had to decide between retheming Roger Rabbit to DuckTales or updating it with the Detective Jessica Rabbit update. I feel like that update, as controversial as it became, has bought Roger Rabbit more time

 

[Touchdown]

Since they seem determined to under utilize the Fantasyland Theatre I would argue that they could also do something there.

 

[DrStarlander]

Pooh is one of the few attractions I wouldn’t shed a tear.

Since they seem determined to under utilize the Fantasyland Theatre I would argue that they could also do something there.

Having Pooh in Bayou Country doesn't make a lot of sense. And I don't just mean thematically. What really doesn't make sense is that it's an attraction (and retail) for families with young children and once the sun goes down, it's very far from where parents with young children are in the park. They have to walk a long way from Fantasyland and Toontown, past the Haunted Mansion or all the way through Galaxy's Edge -- both of which zones many of these kids are too young for...so it's an unrewarding and in places ominous slog. It's an "ugh, let's not do that, honey" situation for parents. There's just that one attraction way out there, for them -- not worth it.

As a result the attraction is underutilized in the evening by its target market and the retail then underperforms its potential. If the Fantasyland Theater was transformed into 100 Acre Woods with the cooler trackless Pooh ride, and there was a substantial Pooh retail right on the high-traffic walkway between Fantasyland and Toon Town, near it's a small world, the boosted retail sales could be substantial. There could be a honey pot spinner too, and meet-and-greet space, for a mini-land.

This would free up the Bayou Country attraction space for a couple of possibilities, which may need to include a reconfiguration of the land with more extended queue for Tiana's Bayou Adventure, and wider walkways and a direct path from Galaxy's Edge to the future bridge across Disneyland Dr. to DisneylandForward expansion. (If this land is the access path to the future bridge, it's got to change a lot to accommodate the traffic.)

It doesn't mean a replacement attraction couldn't fit (there's some backstage area that could potentially be more efficiently used) but maybe not with a dark ride with show building as they can't route foot traffic around the back of that. A flat ride -- I'm thinking an Aquatopia like they have (and are removing) from Tokyo DisneySea but themed as Bayou Boats would bring the theme of the land to life (since it's missing...the bayou). (This ride system uses the trackless ride system on a concrete surface with a shallow layer of water.) With a flat ride, they can route a walkway around the back (unlike a dark ride) and it's a scenic vibe-filled area (jaunty music, swamp fireflies in the bushes, a couple of outdoor animatronic characters hopefully...) and a great scenic view from the train and Hungry Bear BBQ deck.

 

[Phroobar]

Having Pooh in Bayou Country doesn't make a lot of sense. And I don't just mean thematically. What really doesn't make sense is that it's an attraction (and retail) for families with young children and once the sun goes down, it's very far from where parents with young children are in the park. They have to walk a long way from Fantasyland and Toontown, past the Haunted Mansion or all the way through Galaxy's Edge -- both of which zones many of these kids are too young for...so it's an unrewarding and in places ominous slog. It's an "ugh, let's not do that, honey" situation for parents. There's just that one attraction way out there, for them -- not worth it.

As a result the attraction is underutilized in the evening by its target market and the retail then underperforms its potential. If the Fantasyland Theater was transformed into 100 Acre Woods with the cooler trackless Pooh ride, and there was a substantial Pooh retail right on the high-traffic walkway between Fantasyland and Toon Town, near it's a small world, the boosted retail sales could be substantial. There could be a honey pot spinner too, and meet-and-greet space, for a mini-land.

This would free up the Bayou Country attraction space for a couple of possibilities, which may need to include a reconfiguration of the land with more extended queue for Tiana's Bayou Adventure, and wider walkways and a direct path from Galaxy's Edge to the future bridge across Disneyland Dr. to DisneylandForward expansion. (If this land is the access path to the future bridge, it's got to change a lot to accommodate the traffic.)

It doesn't mean a replacement attraction couldn't fit (there's some backstage area that could potentially be more efficiently used) but maybe not with a dark ride with show building as they can't route foot traffic around the back of that. A flat ride -- I'm thinking an Aquatopia like they have (and are removing) from Tokyo DisneySea but themed as Bayou Boats would bring the theme of the land to life (since it's missing...the bayou). (This ride system uses the trackless ride system on a concrete surface with a shallow layer of water.) With a flat ride, they can route a walkway around the back (unlike a dark ride) and it's a scenic vibe-filled area (jaunty music, swamp fireflies in the bushes, a couple of outdoor animatronic characters hopefully...) and a great scenic view from the train and Hungry Bear BBQ deck.
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They could even bring them over since it looks like Tokyo is removing that attraction.