MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[celluloid]

How? Walt was far more of a train lover than ROA!

Walt loved Mark Twain and Tom Sawyer's Island is one of the few venues he personally sketched out.

The train at TDL is kind of a fever dream. Very one side heavy. I felt bad for.my son who sat on the side with nothing much to look at.

 

[mickEblu]

It goes around western land and has the grand canyon diorama unlike mk

In my opinion it’s hard to compete with the ROA as it anchors so much of the park. Anywhere you walk in that section of the park you are experiencing the ROA. Isolated or indoor attractions like the Jungle Cruise and Enchanted Tiki Room don’t have the same impact. Granted, removing a collection of indoor rides also has a significant impact on the park experience especially if they are beloved and/ or classic attractions but I don’t think it’s to the same degree. The train is a loss but less so IMO because it doesn’t circumnavigate the park. With that said I’m unaware of its layout and how much atmosphere/ kinetic energy it provides guests who are NOT riding it.

 

[Centauri Space Station]

No chance. He was a far bigger train lover imo.

 

[Gusey]

What makes a Disney castle park, a castle park?

I don’t want all the parks to be carbon copies - but I want the structure to be the same.

Does a park need a jungle cruise and a splash /Tiana? No because Paris doesn’t and it certainly counts. But Paris has other charming additions that MK and Tokyo don’t…. Like Casey jr. And Storybook.

I am concerned that Tokyo also seems to be on board with taking a classic element and replacing with modern IP.

It feels like a Castle park needs a Castle, a Main Street equivalent, a land set in the past, a land set in the future and a Fantasyland as that's what all 6 have. But when it comes to the attraction lineup, only the Carousel, a Dumbo attraction, a teacup style attraction (Shanghai has a Pooh overlay) and an interactive dark ride seem to be at all 6 parks.
Pirates, a Big Thunder equivalent, Haunted Mansion equivalent, Peter Pan's Flight, It's a Small World and Space Mountain can be found at 5/6 Castle Parks

 

[DisDude33]

I have some hot takes but I’m just going to say them.

1. The ROA is just scenery. You don’t really experience it, you just look at it and I feel that getting rid of it to put in things that add capacity and absorb crowds is something MK desperately needs. I will die on that hill.

2. From everything I’ve read or seen about Walt over the years I don’t believe Walt would want the company holding on the classic rides just because they are “classic” he said on multiple occasions that Disneyland should always be changing and trying to improve.

Heck, if we really wanted to do what Walt’s ideas were, DL wouldn’t have any of the stuff he made 70 years later and WDW wouldn’t even exist because he didn’t have any intention of putting a theme part in his Florida project. He bought all the land to make a self sufficient city. I’m not sure if he had any interest in the being more than one theme part with his name on it. I will be significantly injured on that hill.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

One persons jungle cruise is another persons rivers of America.

And if the plan for replacing them is good and well thought out and provides a better experience to the majority of guests they can both go

(But neither should go just for the sake of going/for a bad replacement)

 

[LittleBuford]

The ROA is just scenery. You don’t really experience it, you just look at it

Looking is an experience at the Disney parks. Otherwise, nothing would be themed.

 

[Bocabear]

The ROA was certainly more of an experience when it actually had multiple boat traffic on it... Keel boats, Canoes, TSI rafts, and the steamboat... It was a hub of activity...There was more scenery with the burning cabin...Our ROA could always have used more though like Disneyland had... a Cascade Peak sort of thing would have been a nice addition...It is a shame they never really beefed up all the scenery around the river as it was seen by riverboat, rafts,canoes and keelboats plus the train....so it was the thematic setting for 4 different attractions...and provided the backdrop for two connected lands Liberty Square and Frontierland...I guess now it will just be a fake rock canyon wall with lots of trees....and the possibility of a water feature...but all unknown at this point....,

 

[Jrb1979]

I have some hot takes but I’m just going to say them.

1. The ROA is just scenery. You don’t really experience it, you just look at it and I feel that getting rid of it to put in things that add capacity and absorb crowds is something MK desperately needs. I will die on that hill.

2. From everything I’ve read or seen about Walt over the years I don’t believe Walt would want the company holding on the classic rides just because they are “classic” he said on multiple occasions that Disneyland should always be changing and trying to improve.

Heck, if we really wanted to do what Walt’s ideas were, DL wouldn’t have any of the stuff he made 70 years later and WDW wouldn’t even exist because he didn’t have any intention of putting a theme part in his Florida project. He bought all the land to make a self sufficient city. I’m not sure if he had any interest in the being more than one theme part with his name on it. I will be significantly injured on that hill.

I agree that the parks need to keep changing and improving. IMO most are in agreement with that. The issue most of you don't seem to understand is placement of the majority of these new attractions.

The thing that separated Disney from other theme parks was how each park had its own theme and attractions that fit that theme.

 

[rd805]

Closing Jungle Cruise in Orlando would be a huge problem; closing Jungle Cruise in Japan with some interesting ideas on updating/enhancing the land, may be appropriate.

I'd rather lose ROA than JC in the long run, give me new crowd pleasing / crowd gathering rides - something to be excited to try.

**Building Villains land at Hollywood Studios - replacing AC & linking/expanding surrounding back to the theatre/ToT would have been the better move keeping more alive (RoA) & using dead space for new attractions.

 

[Disstevefan1]

One of the signs (Frontierland/Adventureland) has returned looking good as new!
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Very happy to see this!!! For now, Frontierland is safe!!
Good to see some of the guaranteed 7B to WDW is being spent

 

[danlb_2000]

ROA to MK >>>>>> JC to TDL

For one Jungle Cruise is an isolated attraction and doesn’t anchor an entire quadrant of the park.

I agree, Rivers of America has an impact on pretty much every guest that visits the park, Jungle Cruise only impacts the guests that ride it.

 

[DisDude33]

**Building Villains land at Hollywood Studios - replacing AC & linking/expanding surrounding back to the theatre/ToT would have been the better move keeping more alive (RoA) & using dead space for new attractions.

I would say that depending on how Villain's is done it can actually make more sense and be a better area in MK because it can act as a twisted reflection of Fantasyland.

If they were going to destroy AC for a new land then putting Monsters Inc there would have been perfect and the could have connected it to Toy Story with a Cars area and left Cars out of MK.

 

[DisDude33]

I agree that the parks need to keep changing and improving. IMO most are in agreement with that. The issue most of you don't seem to understand is placement of the majority of these new attractions.

The thing that separated Disney from other theme parks was how each park had its own theme and attractions that fit that theme.

I will agree that there has been a lose of coherent theming within the parks. They have made a habit of chipping away at old themes without any clear plan of how and when it will be fully replaced. HS has suffered more than any park from this and I agree that Frontierland seems to be the latest victim.

 

[Disstevefan1]

I agree that the parks need to keep changing and improving. IMO most are in agreement with that. The issue most of you don't seem to understand is placement of the majority of these new attractions.

The thing that separated Disney from other theme parks was how each park had its own theme and attractions that fit that theme.

I agree with you but we all must understand what we thought we knew about WDW is no longer the case.

This is the WDW of Iger. It’s a whole new Disney World but not in a good way.

 

[Andrew C]

ROA to MK >>>>>> JC to TDL

For one Jungle Cruise is an isolated attraction and doesn’t anchor an entire quadrant of the park.

As I mentioned above, there are major differences between the two.

Rivers of America is a fundamental part of the park design; two lands rely on it as part of their organizational structure. Jungle Cruise is just a ride. It has very little effect on Adventureland itself and none whatsoever outside of Adventureland.

Winner winner, chicken dinner

 

[Disstevefan1]

Closing Jungle Cruise in Orlando would be a huge problem; closing Jungle Cruise in Japan with some interesting ideas on updating/enhancing the land, may be appropriate.

I'd rather lose ROA than JC in the long run, give me new crowd pleasing / crowd gathering rides - something to be excited to try.

**Building Villains land at Hollywood Studios - replacing AC & linking/expanding surrounding back to the theatre/ToT would have been the better move keeping more alive (RoA) & using dead space for new attractions.

Sorry I joined this conversation late. Is there a rumor they are destroying/closing Jungle Cruise too?

I mean, I get it, Iger's WDW wants to destroy everything, but I hope not the Jungle Cruise. They already modified it to suit modern sensibilities so we should be OK to keep it.

I do worry Iger's WDW destroys for the sake of destroying which worries me.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

Sorry I joined this conversation late. Is there a rumor they are destroying/closing Jungle Cruise too?

I mean, I get it, Iger's WDW wants to destroy everything, but I hope not the Jungle Cruise. They already modified it to suit modern sensibilities so we should be OK to keep it.

I do worry Iger's WDW destroys for the sake of destroying which worries me.

There is concept art for Tokyo Disneyland showing an updated Adventureland that would remove the Jungle Cruise, Tiki Room, Treehouse, and Train (at least the station)

So no rumor for WDW similar but leading to comparisons

 

[Bocabear]

I will agree that there has been a lose of coherent theming within the parks. They have made a habit of chipping away at old themes without any clear plan of how and when it will be fully replaced. HS has suffered more than any park from this and I agree that Frontierland seems to be the latest victim.

I don't believe there is a world where Cars would ever properly fit the tone and style of The Magic Kingdom...but they have 4 parks, and it is a perfect fit for DHS...I am not sure why they seem so fixated on breaking the cohesive theming of the parks lately...in the end it will just end up a thematic mess...

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

he said on multiple occasions that Disneyland should always be changing and trying to improve.

“It will continue to grow as long as there is imagination left in the world”

“If there is something I don’t like, I’m not stuck with it. I can reshape and revamp”

- Walt wanted the parks to improve and grow - change was usually in the form of improvement. The train of Tomorrow was replaced by the monorail - that’s a great example of the type of change and improvement Walt wanted.

I have no issue with cars IP being added to MK - although I think studios needs it more. But this ain’t it as far as a good expansion move.