MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[mattpeto]

If “I told you so” is your favorite game… sure. There are usually winners on both sides.

Nothing in the plan makes up for the loss of the riverboat for me personally - but I’m hoping it looks impressive. Modern dirt racing in Frontierland seems very off to me, and I love cars land at DCA - but we shall see what we get.

"That won't ever happen. Disney won't do end up doing X"
"Tariffs will kill projects"
"Villains land won't happen"
"They won't have a Monsters theater show".
"They are closing MV3D to save operational costs"

Same rhetoric repeat 1000x and usually by same 10 people - it's exhausting.

Believe me, I'm wrong plenty.

I don't love everything Disney is doing, but I try not to be a buzzkill at every move Disney makes either.

It's more about battling the vibe of excessive and almost irrational negativity.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

It's more about battling the vibe of excessive and almost irrational negativity.

With an excessive and almost irrational positivity towards projects that have lots of questionable decisions? (Not you specifically.)

 

[Goofyernmost]

Thank you. It's a cement "river" with a boat on a track that's been going in the same circle for 50 years.

And, of course, because you have seen it for 50 years, surely there is no one else in the world or the country that hasn't seen it and is bored with it. That is the problem with so many negative posts about how useful something is and that it must be an "E" ticket to be worthy of existence. They have already taken many steps to block out those not living in the upper 10% bracket without going into debt. The very core of what made Disney parks the go to place. It became that because the remaining 90% felt appreciated and they are the ones that returned year after year. The wealthy soon get bored with things and find new adventures that only they can afford.

 

[Goofyernmost]

Because everything has to be IP now. And maybe it will help to sell more toys

The IP in this case, adds nothing to the ride experience, and would be largely the same without it. Even better because then we wouldn't have to worry about explaining why sentient cars from another universe are in Frontierland.

Everything is an IP, they didn't just ride down on a ray of light from the heavens. Almost all of the original Disneyland was an IP. The twist that Disney put on someone else's idea and made a cartoon and/or a movie about that story that was from someone else and was made commercial by Disney Animation and Films. Hardly an original concept in the lot. I would think by now people would have figured out how inaccurate the concern about IP's really is. Everything that currently exists in our world started in someone's mind and not usually the group that profited from it the most.

 

[Goofyernmost]

To me one of the major changes to Disney philosophy is evolving slowly but surely. What I am referring to was back when I first went there, 42 years ago, I was asked why I liked a children's park so much since I was 35 at the time. That idea that it was for kids is now evolving into a place for grown ups can go and act like kids, but leave nothing that children might really enjoy. That's right folks, adults, the ones paying the admission costs are swiftly transforming the place into an adult location. It's kinda sad really the alleged adults cannot share with the younger generation and do like I did at 35 years old, and let myself feel like a young child and enjoy it for the reason that Walt built it to begin with and that was so the parents could enjoy the park along with the kids. It was set up for both to be able to experience together as a family. Not to fulfill others desire to vomit due to the movement of the rides. That has killed what Disneyland and WDW were created to have happen.

Now it is a contest of adults trying to afford to get on rides before everyone else and make sure that if your stomach doesn't end up near your throat it isn't worth having.

 

[SoFloMagic]

And, of course, because you have seen it for 50 years, surely there is no one else in the world or the country that hasn't seen it and is bored with it. That is the problem with so many negative posts about how useful something is and that it must be an "E" ticket to be worthy of existence. They have already taken many steps to block out those not living in the upper 10% bracket without going into debt. The very core of what made Disney parks the go to place. It became that because the remaining 90% felt appreciated and they are the ones that returned year after year. The wealthy soon get bored with things and find new adventures that only they can

Take a poll of people taking a once in a lifetime trip. Would they prefer a river, boat, and an island with a snack bar that's been closed for a decade or two new lands with exciting rides and some of their favorite characters?

I completely understand the emotional attachment many have to this area and the river, but to pretend that this is a bad business move or that its ruining disney is just absurd.

Id rather we discuss the land and whether they'll budget cut the crap out of it.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Take a poll of people taking a once in a lifetime trip. Would they prefer a river, boat, and an island with a snack bar that's been closed for a decade or two new lands with exciting rides and some of their favorite characters?

Whether it’s theme parks, movies, tv shows, books or any other creative enterprise, time and time again it has been shown that this is the recipe for absolute garbage.

 

[Jrb1979]

Take a poll of people taking a once in a lifetime trip. Would they prefer a river, boat, and an island with a snack bar that's been closed for a decade or two new lands with exciting rides and some of their favorite characters?

I completely understand the emotional attachment many have to this area and the river, but to pretend that this is a bad business move or that its ruining disney is just absurd.

Id rather we discuss the land and whether they'll budget cut the crap out of it.

I have no issue with them removing Rivers of America or the Island. I have no issue with any new attractions coming. My two issues are how Disney has been moving away from each parks theme. It's feeling like each park is just a mish mash of IP now.

My only real other issue is Disney not wanting to real push the boundaries on thrills.

 

[Disgruntled Walt]

I'm more just wondering why @wdwmagic isn't referring to Villains at all in the headlines for this work, but exclusively saying it's for the Cars attractions.

 

[MisterPenguin]

I'm more just wondering why @wdwmagic isn't referring to Villains at all in the headlines for this work, but exclusively saying it's for the Cars attractions.

Steve's afraid of Disney villains. He hides behind his office chair whenever they're mentioned.

 

[Brer Panther]

The Disney of Today needs 12-14 acres for two rides. Even for something like Toy Story Land.

It's baffling, isn't it? Pandora only has two rides, Toy Story Land has three but one of them was already there, New Fantasyland only added two actual attractions (three if you consider Enchanted Tales With Belle an attraction, though it's basically just an updated version of the Storytime With Belle thing they already had in Fantasyland)... are they just cheaper than we thought or do they think two new attractions is enough?

Not that they can't replace it (and they should), but TRON's placement limits what they can do there.

Is there enough space for a good dark ride, at least?

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

It's baffling, isn't it? Pandora only has two rides, Toy Story Land has three but one of them was already there, New Fantasyland only added two actual attractions (three if you consider Enchanted Tales With Belle an attraction, though it's basically just an updated version of the Storytime With Belle thing they already had in Fantasyland)... are they just cheaper than we thought or do they think two new attractions is enough?

Is there enough space for a good dark ride, at least?

It’s not really that baffling. Universal has gotten away with doing the same thing for years and people love it for being 1 big themed experience. Plus typical short rides have gotten a lot of flack recently even if they are good making it so people only want a D or E ticket anymore

 

[MouseEarsMom33]

I'm more just wondering why @wdwmagic isn't referring to Villains at all in the headlines for this work, but exclusively saying it's for the Cars attractions.

I think Disney has been clear Cars will come first, followed by Villains. I believe it is 2028 Cars followed by 2029 Villains. It makes sense to focus on the first thing under development. I am not WDWMagic, but that's my guess.

If the economy gets bad, sure, it could be cancelled. But with Universal's Dark Universe, I don't see Disney stopping the project unless they are financially forced too. Villains was the big announcement for D23.

 

[Goofyernmost]

Take a poll of people taking a once in a lifetime trip. Would they prefer a river, boat, and an island with a snack bar that's been closed for a decade or two new lands with exciting rides and some of their favorite characters?

I completely understand the emotional attachment many have to this area and the river, but to pretend that this is a bad business move or that its ruining disney is just absurd.

Id rather we discuss the land and whether they'll budget cut the crap out of it.

No discussion is necessary they will be budgeting the crap out of it. They tried spectacular with the Star Wars section and all they got was "meh". whine They used the more recent Star Wars whine instead of the original whine. Nothing near the appreciated reaction surfaced. The area is doing ok but it is no where near what they anticipated so was that a good business move or a questionable business move? That answer is different dependent on who you ask.

I'm sorry that you felt the riverboat was lame, but since the entire place is all fantasy that argument can be applicable to everything in there. The full affect of all the stupid things they have been doing in recent years has not caught up with them yet, but it is hardly absurd. What is absurd is focusing only on profit and not thinking about what happens down the road. It might be a temporary boost but not planning or even wanting anyone to do anymore than one visit is what is absurd.

It is unnecessary to destroy that memory because there is room to put it elsewhere but again let's bury aesthetics for a two minute ride and make sure that there are two more things that were childhood type fun become something for an adult scare or a thrill. What good is a theme park that doesn't look like Six Flags, right?

 

[MouseEarsMom33]

Let's see how much Disney is impacted by Epic Universe. I think this will dictate how much the budget is cut. Epic look amazing. I'm not sure Disney can "afford" to cut budget on Villains land.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

The addition of TRON kind of handcuffed them regarding the speedway.

Not that they can't replace it (and they should), but TRON's placement limits what they can do there.

The Jungle Cruise, on the other hand, takes up a massive amount of space...

Well, the latest concept art for the updates to Adventureland at Tokyo Disneyland has them getting ride of the Jungle Cruise, so maybe that will be next to go in Florida as well

 

[lentesta]

Anyone know what this new structure is to the west of the WDW Railroad tracks in Frontierland?

 

[lazyboy97o]

Anyone know what this new structure is to the west of the WDW Railroad tracks in Frontierland?

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New maintenance facility for Big Thunder Mountain Railroad.

 

[Ayla]

Take a poll of people taking a once in a lifetime trip. Would they prefer a river, boat, and an island with a snack bar that's been closed for a decade or two new lands with exciting rides and some of their favorite characters?

I can 100% guarantee my "once in a lifetime trip" will NOT be to the swamps of FL.

 

[graphite1326]

Take a poll of people taking a once in a lifetime trip. Would they prefer a river, boat, and an island with a snack bar that's been closed for a decade or two new lands with exciting rides and some of their favorite characters?

I completely understand the emotional attachment many have to this area and the river, but to pretend that this is a bad business move or that its ruining disney is just absurd.

Id rather we discuss the land and whether they'll budget cut the crap out out of it.

I will be the first to take your poll. I prefer the riverboat. However, I do believe that TS Island does need a great deal of updating.

As far as the cars attraction they want to be there, it just does not fit with the park. Put it in HS which is a miss mash of attractions anyway.

If you want to turn it into every other "amusement park" then I will save some money and go to another park.