MK Villains Land Announced for Walt Disney World's Magic Kingdom

[Andrew C]

So, given how well Dark Universe seems to be received in terms of scariness at Epic Universe, so we think Disney will go the dark route with the Villains or a more tamer approach?

Disney will always be slightly less in the scare department. Because it is Disney. And honestly, probably the way to go as long as they don't hold back too much.

 

[MisterPenguin]

So far, it's clear that WDW can't put up enough family coasters. They all get huge lines. Don't know why every other new attraction wouldn't be a family coaster.

 

[Fox&Hound]

I don’t think people are necessarily scared of Disney villains (maybe young kids). I think they want to interact with the villains because they LOVE them. This is what differentiates them from Universal. People might be scared of Dracula, Frankenstein’s monster, etc, but do they love and adore them? I don’t think many do. Yes, they are iconic but they are not beloved. Ursula? Gaston? Yzma? The Evil Queen? Scar? They are treasured. Many of them defined the movie they were in and their movies would have suffered without their presence. Give us rides, attractions, and meet and greets where we can celebrate these characters and it will be a hit.

 

[fgmnt]

It’ll be a thrilling coaster. I have no doubt about that.

But, Disney will want most people to feel intimidated, but comfortable going on both of the big rides in Villains land, which I expect will be considered the greatest theme park land in Florida when it opens.

And that means something along the lines of Velocicoaster is simply not going to happen.

Reasonably intense but unambiguously accessible is the approach to expect. Expedition Everest and Guardians are the model high end roller coasters for the company. I am pretty confident that whatever will be built will be in the vein of EE/MB.

 

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I'd argue that a coaster isn't the ideal ride type for a C ticket.

 

[FigmentFan82]

It’ll be a thrilling coaster. I have no doubt about that.

But, Disney will want most people to feel intimidated, but comfortable going on both of the big rides in Villains land, which I expect will be considered the greatest theme park land in Florida when it opens.

And that means something along the lines of Velocicoaster is simply not going to happen.

Disney has highly thrilling coasters already. This fear that villains land can’t be too scary or too thrilling is ridiculous. MK as a whole is thoroughly family friendly. Villains land isn’t going to suddenly make MK too mature for the littles. In the end we will have to wait and see what they end up doing and then go from there.

 

[CAlexander]

I think having a somewhat intense Rollercoaster in the villians section would be fantastic if they make it feel like a rite of passage for the kids being "brave" enough to conquer their fears and help defeat the villains.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

I still have mixed feelings about what the right approach is when it comes to trill rides in MK but I will agree that if Disney wanted to test the limits Villain’s land would be the place to do it.

But if they do then they should probably balance it by making the dark ride all ages.

Agreed there should be plenty in the land for everyone to be able to enjoy - the dark ride, maybe a show of sorts, character meets, just other dynamic elements in the land. But having one aspect (e.g., the coaster) have some level of thrill and hearing the people on it scream adding to the atmosphere, I think is ok and appropriate

But only works if the coaster is just one of the major elements to be experienced

 

[MisterPenguin]

I'd argue that a coaster isn't the ideal ride type for a C ticket.

At one time or another, these attractions were C-Tickets. Considering their very varied types of rides or attractions, why would a kiddie coaster not be a C-Ticket simply because the ride mechanic is "coaster"?

Fantasyland Theater
Astro-Jet / Star Jets
Mad Tea Party
Dumbo Flying Elephant
Shooting Gallery
Mike Fink Keel Boats
Swiss Family Tree House
Autopia/Speedway
Adventure Through Inner Space
Conestoga Wagons
Canoes
Rocket to the Moon/Mission to Mars
Alice in Wonderland
Peter Pan Flight
Snow White’s Adventures
Mr. Toad’s Wild Ride

 

[DisneyHead123]

I don’t think people are necessarily scared of Disney villains (maybe young kids). I think they want to interact with the villains because they LOVE them. This is what differentiates them from Universal. People might be scared of Dracula, Frankenstein’s monster, etc, but do they love and adore them? I don’t think many do. Yes, they are iconic but they are not beloved. Ursula? Gaston? Yzma? The Evil Queen? Scar? They are treasured. Many of them defined the movie they were in and their movies would have suffered without their presence. Give us rides, attractions, and meet and greets where we can celebrate these characters and it will be a hit.

So, I agree with you when it comes to Disney goers, but I also think that “Halloween” (and related stuff) is its own subculture with a ton of fans. In my youth I volunteered at a haunted house that has probably made some national “best haunted houses” lists, and there are people that get veeeery into that scene. As many as the people who love Disney villains? Not sure, but I think it’s a significant number.

 

[DisneyHead123]

Reasonably intense but unambiguously accessible is the approach to expect. Expedition Everest and Guardians are the model high end roller coasters for the company. I am pretty confident that whatever will be built will be in the vein of EE/MB.

I think it’s not the “scary factor” but the “my over 30 body is not dealing with this well” factor that would keep Disney from having a true thrill ride, lol. High intensity coasters are great in your teens and 20s, they’re really pretty hard on many people after that. Not everyone, but I’m guessing a majority. I agree that EE and Guardians is probably the upper limit on thrill at Disney.

 

[UNCgolf]

At one time or another, these attractions were C-Tickets. Considering their very varied types of rides or attractions, why would a kiddie coaster not be a C-Ticket simply because the ride mechanic is "coaster"?

Fantasyland Theater
Astro-Jet / Star Jets
Mad Tea Party
Dumbo Flying Elephant
Shooting Gallery
Mike Fink Keel Boats
Swiss Family Tree House
Autopia/Speedway
Adventure Through Inner Space
Conestoga Wagons
Canoes
Rocket to the Moon/Mission to Mars
Alice in Wonderland
Peter Pan Flight
Snow White’s Adventures
Mr. Toad’s Wild Ride

Plus the Barnstormer (an actual roller coaster) is definitely a C ticket.

I've always thought coasters are kind of difficult to classify in that traditional letter scale, though. Large basically unthemed coasters (The Incredible Hulk, e.g.) are usually considered E tickets because they're popular, but they're also generally much cheaper to build than other rides that would fall into the E ticket category and don't really operate on the same scope/scale level. Plus, that also means that random Six Flags parks probably have more E tickets than most, if not all, Disney or Universal parks, and that doesn't feel accurate.

 

[Giss Neric]

Is there a reason why Disney keeps working with Vekoma in their rollercoasters? I know Slinky Dog Dash is Mack, but the rest including the upcoming ones are still Vekoma. Are they exclusive to Disney cause I don't think Universal has any Vekoma coasters. It;s mostly Intamin, B&M and Mack.

 

[Bocabear]

Plus the Barnstormer (an actual roller coaster) is definitely a C ticket.

I've always thought coasters are kind of difficult to classify in that traditional letter scale, though. Large basically unthemed coasters (The Incredible Hulk, e.g.) are usually considered E tickets because they're popular, but they're also generally much cheaper to build than other rides that would fall into the E ticket category and don't really operate on the same scope/scale level. Plus, that also means that random Six Flags parks probably have more E tickets than most, if not all, Disney or Universal parks, and that doesn't feel accurate.

it is so short it should be a B ticket....

 

[lazyboy97o]

Is there a reason why Disney keeps working with Vekoma in their rollercoasters? I know Slinky Dog Dash is Mack, but the rest including the upcoming ones are still Vekoma. Are they exclusive to Disney cause I don't think Universal has any Vekoma coasters. It;s mostly Intamin, B&M and Mack.

Vekoma puts up with Disney. They’re willing to do different things for Disney.

 

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it is so short it should be a B ticket....

Ah the crux of C-ticket coasters. Viewed as less than. There's a point where a coaster build reaches a diminished return when truncated or made incredibly lame to the point where it's questionable why it should even be a coaster in the first place. A kiddie coaster has its place don't get me wrong, but there are probably better options with smaller footprints and costs that deliver the same if not greater thrill. One of the key issues with coasters as C-tickets is in how themeparkdom views coasters, as a flagship product which only fuels confusion and disappointment, especially if elaborately themed, yet short or if just a barebone coaster. Have to question if a coaster is really the best option.

 

[Bocabear]

I think the absolute worst at this point is Oaken's sliding sleigh in Tokyo....It is beautifully themed, and so incredibly short it is ridiculous.... Thank God that 7Dwarfs at least has the show scene... Without it, we would have that same problem... It would be nice if there were more scenic elements along the very short route of 7 Dwarfs.... that might make it feel a little more complete...

 

[EricsBiscuit]

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The parks do need more c-tickets. However, when you go over budget or cut the budget and what was planned to be a d or e ticket becomes something much less impressive, fans are naturally disappointed. Look at SDMT, the final product is much reduced compared to what could have been.

 

[MisterPenguin]

The parks do need more c-tickets. However, when you go over budget or cut the budget and what was planned to be a d or e ticket becomes something much less impressive, fans are naturally disappointed. Look at SDMT, the final product is much reduced compared to what could have been.

That would be a great argument if it weren't for the fact that we're talking about a coaster that does the exact opposite of what you complain about. Wandering Oaken was splurged on, not budget-reduced, not reduced-in-scope.

And yet, despite being one of the most well-themed kiddie coasters ever, people are dismayed that it's not a D- or E- Ticket ride for Disney adults.

Thus, my point, that we have "Disney fans" who agree wholeheartedly that we need more C-Ticket rides, and yet, are up in arms when one actually gets built.

But then rather acknowledge that cognitive dissonance being pointed out, we are somehow back to the "BUT DISNEY..." argument over not having been so lavish on other C-Ticket rides, which is not what this particular back and forth has been about. Otherwise, I could point one to Aliens Saucers as a recent very well themed C-Ticket ride.

Getting back to topic of this thread, it seems like Villains Land will have a D- or E- level coaster. Most likely a 'family coaster' that's also a 'show coaster.' Whether the land's second ride is a poorly or richly themed C-Ticket, we'll have to wait to see.

 

[ᗩLᘿᑕ ֊ᗩζᗩᗰ]

That would be a great argument if it weren't for the fact that we're talking about a coaster that does the exact opposite of what you complain about. Wandering Oaken was splurged on, not budget-reduced, not reduced-in-scope.

And yet, despite being one of the most well-themed kiddie coasters ever, people are dismayed that it's not a D- or E- Ticket ride for Disney adults.

Thus, my point, that we have "Disney fans" who agree wholeheartedly that we need more C-Ticket rides, and yet, are up in arms when one actually gets built.

But then rather acknowledge that cognitive dissonance being pointed out, we are somehow back to the "BUT DISNEY..." argument over not having been so lavish on other C-Ticket rides, which is not what this particular back and forth has been about. Otherwise, I could point one to Aliens Saucers as a recent very well themed C-Ticket ride.

Getting back to topic of this thread, it seems like Villains Land will have a D- or E- level coaster. Most likely a 'family coaster' that's also a 'show coaster.' Whether the land's second ride is a poorly or richly themed C-Ticket, we'll have to wait to see.

The problem with Oaken is that Disney over-delivered on theme setting riders up for disappointment EXPECTING it to be something it isn't. It's the E-ticket facade for the C-ticket Little Mermaid all over again.