You don't know what you are talking about, sorry. Most people close to the parks do know about the project and as I said, I know people who said that feedback inbounds from their online channels are at unprecedented levels because of it.
-
Welcome to the WDWMAGIC.COM Forums!
Please take a look around, and feel free to sign up and join the community.
Forbes: Disney Facing Furious Backlash Over $17 Billion Theme Park Investments
- Thread starter Disney Glimpses
- Start date
Stripes
Premium Member
Again, pump the breaks. Online channels among passionate fans are not reality for the vast majority of guests.
There is zero chance. I repeat ZERO chance this project is cancelled or retooled in any significant way.
I fully expect a beautiful berm to block the sight lines of the vehicles within Liberty Square and Frontierland. You can see that berm in the original concept art.
Jrb1979
Well-Known Member
Agreed. Cause your average guest doesn't care for the history of the park. They just want IP they know.
Lord Fozzinator
Well-Known Member
- In the Parks
- No
I completely hope that this is the case. I don't expect the project to be cancelled but I totally see them changing the plan to at least keep the riverboat and a small lake. Possible to even keep Tom Sawyer's island but that is a bit of a stretch.
Again, I am not talking about just "online channels." I am talking about the channels that Disney collects the vast majority of their guest feedback through. And no one said the project would be cancelled. But "zero chance the project is retooled in any significant way" though? Haha, we'll see about that one.
Last edited:
I'd actually be surprised to see them keep the riverboat. I think the most likely scenario is a much larger artificial stream/river along Frontierland. Most people seem to be upset about the aesthetics along that corridor being compromised and they're not wrong. It's going to look horrible.
I don't think you're giving enough credit to the "average guest." And Disney doesn't really care to shape their parks around new/transient guest feedback. For example, Disney Enchantment had super high scores among folks who never saw Happily Ever After and they still decided to bring it back anyways. And I know it sounds simple because it's just a fireworks show but it actually was not simple to navigate in any way for a multitude of reasons.
Lord Fozzinator
Well-Known Member
- In the Parks
- No
I think with all of this negative backlash from both outside and inside the company, the executives might give a slightly alerted version of the plan.
I think what is possible is that the Cars expansion is moved further up which could possibly move Villains land to the right (from the start the land was going to be above Frontierland, not Fantasyland). With this, a small portion of the Rivers of America would be maintained (mainly the water from Fort Longhorn and down as well as a small river going around Thunder Mountain). I think there is a good chance for them to keep the Riverboat but there is also as likely a possibility for it not to be kept. Tom Sawyer Island MIGHT be kept, I really like Eddie Soto's plan for Frontierland but I don't see that much of the ROA to stay but if TSI stays then I see a bride or two connecting to the island.
A more realistic plan would be to keep a portion of the river around Thunder Mountain and up to the Liberty Belle Riverboat station. As I have said before, there is a chance for the Riverboat to stay but I'm not sure. In the concept art, it showed a rock formation with snow and I think this could be a very cool water feature with waterfalls going down the mountain and feeding into the remaining river. TSI would still become Cars but would be moved up a little and the remaining river would separate the sightlines between Cars and Haunted Mansion.
Overall, either one of these plans could be possible but the 2nd one is the most plausible one while the 1st is just dreaming but can still happen.
I think what is possible is that the Cars expansion is moved further up which could possibly move Villains land to the right (from the start the land was going to be above Frontierland, not Fantasyland). With this, a small portion of the Rivers of America would be maintained (mainly the water from Fort Longhorn and down as well as a small river going around Thunder Mountain). I think there is a good chance for them to keep the Riverboat but there is also as likely a possibility for it not to be kept. Tom Sawyer Island MIGHT be kept, I really like Eddie Soto's plan for Frontierland but I don't see that much of the ROA to stay but if TSI stays then I see a bride or two connecting to the island.
A more realistic plan would be to keep a portion of the river around Thunder Mountain and up to the Liberty Belle Riverboat station. As I have said before, there is a chance for the Riverboat to stay but I'm not sure. In the concept art, it showed a rock formation with snow and I think this could be a very cool water feature with waterfalls going down the mountain and feeding into the remaining river. TSI would still become Cars but would be moved up a little and the remaining river would separate the sightlines between Cars and Haunted Mansion.
Overall, either one of these plans could be possible but the 2nd one is the most plausible one while the 1st is just dreaming but can still happen.
Jrb1979
Well-Known Member
If that the case and they seem to want to play to the legacy fans with things like Happily Ever After, then why do they do things like this?
On one hand they talk about going after the new fan/transient fans but yet don't care about their thoughts. On the other hand., they care about legacy fans thoughts but don't want them in the parks.
It's a data point, just like all those Epcot visitors in the late '90's and early '00's who, when surveyed about their experience, asked, "Where's the Disney in Epcot???"Good thing Disney makes all their decisions based off of the opinions of first time guests.Just an idiotic thing to share.
Tha Realest
Well-Known Member
No. Reporters must go to Orlando, and Orlando only, to survey prospective guest reaction.
Ayla
Well-Known Member
Nope, only Orlando opinions count.
Andrew C
You know what's funny?
This is all fan sentiment we continue to hear. It doesn't come out of nowhere. People communicate their feelings, whether one likes it or not. Don't blow off negative fan sentiment around this project if you expect positive sentiment to be taken seriously.
I thought that was only from the extensive surveys taken in 1982?
SamusAranX
Well-Known Member
And they have to be standing on the Disney pavement to do so. Parking lots don’t count!!!Nope, only Orlando opinions count.
No no, the negativity is only from angry Twitter users. Everyone else in the world is absolutely, extremely positive about all of it.
BrianLo
Well-Known Member
Again, I’m not defending the position.
Stop defending the author because you happen to agree. I don’t even disagree with the broader position.
This is not out of no where, I have quite literally been complaining about her to Forbes editorial in recent months. She doesn’t deserve promotion or legitimacy. That’s the point I’ve repetitively made. That she can both be on the pulse of general sentiment and deserves to no longer be promoted can simultaneously be true.
Andrew C
You know what's funny?
Where???
BrianLo
Well-Known Member
Sorry, I may have incredibly missed your point you were making!