Disstevefan1
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Agreed, DAS folks are using the same LL queue as the folks paying, DAS should have the same limitations as everyone in the LL queue.
Heck, the folks paying THE BIG BUCKS for LLPP are capped to one time per attraction.
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Heck, the folks paying THE BIG BUCKS for LLPP are capped to one time per attraction.
tissandtully
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Yeah my bad, you know what I mean though.
Angel Ariel
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DAS isn't an accommodation for LL though. It's an accommodation for the standby line - which all guests are able to go into as often as they'd like.
Disstevefan1
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DAS folks do not use the LL queue?
Angel Ariel
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Stop with the acting. You've been involved in this conversation to know full well what I am talking about.
Disstevefan1
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Not a act, just an honest question.
Angel Ariel
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Your longterm participation in this thread demonstrates otherwise, and I'm not interested in playing games.
Chi84
Premium Member
I think it may be a sincere glitch in understanding. DAS users enter the LLs but they are using an accommodation for the standby line.
Disstevefan1
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No games here. If DAS uses LL queues they should be capped just like the others in the LL queue who pays to be there.
This is not a game, this seems fair to me.
I have family members with real limitations that have gotten worse over time, not better, who no longer qualify for DAS.
If they could qualify again with the rule to be limited to one visit to each attraction, we would take that in a heartbeat.
Disstevefan1
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I admit I do not understand. Do DAS users use the same queue as LL and they use that physical queue all the way to the merge point? Honest question as its been a long time and we obviously do not use DAS anymore.
Angel Ariel
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This demonstrates the earlier question was not an honest question - you weren't truthfully asking if DAS users use the LLs, because you clearly demonstrate knowledge that they do. Which wasn't my point.
Telling DAS users that they can only access an attraction once/day is limiting them in a way no other guest is limited, as any other guest can enter any standby line as many times as they like. If non-DAS user Jane Doe wants to ride nothing but Ratatouille all day long, there is nothing preventing her from doing so. If a DAS user wants to ride Ratatouille all day long, your suggestion would prevent them from doing that. the key here is that the DAS is an accommodation *for those that cannot access the standby line*.
Disstevefan1
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It was an honest question, I thought I remembered DAS used the LL queue, I am not a user any more perhaps something changed. Disney constantly changes on a whim.
You are of course free to think of me as dishonest, I really don't care what you think of me.
For the moment lets exclude VQ, the free boarding groups from this discussion.
When the subject of a cap came up it made me think, this is fair!
If its the case that the only folks who can use the shorter LL queue are DAS folks and folks who pay. It seems fair to me that all who use the shorter LL queue should be limited to one ride of a given attraction.
And if I can dream for a moment, if that limitation of one ride per attraction could allow some of the folks with real limitations who previously qualified and currently do not, to again be allowed to use DAS, that would be great!
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Moth
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As someone who's used DAS for legitimate reasons before, the idea of a cap on "times to ride an attraction" for DAS users inches very close to "discrimination lawsuit waiting to happen" in my eyes.
While DAS users use the LL lines, they are not LL users. An LL user is able to book an LL and go into the LL ride line, a DAS user is given a return time that's typically the length of the stand-by line.
For example, I want to go and ride Flight of Passage, my favorite ride, I'd ask for a pass using DAS and be given a return time around an hour and a half in the future. Someone using LL can just book whatever time they please. While we'd be in the same line, we entered the line under different circumstances and one person (the LL user) likely waited less time.
With the new DAS system, I cannot get DAS anymore likely, and we still have the LL person giving Disney money (which they love) and in the LL line.
The solution is probably just implementing something akin to paper fastpass again and reverting DAS, but Disney doesn't want to do the former because it means less money and doesn't want to do the latter because it means less money. Pandora's box is open and Disney just really likes preying on people desperate to get everything done.
While DAS users use the LL lines, they are not LL users. An LL user is able to book an LL and go into the LL ride line, a DAS user is given a return time that's typically the length of the stand-by line.
For example, I want to go and ride Flight of Passage, my favorite ride, I'd ask for a pass using DAS and be given a return time around an hour and a half in the future. Someone using LL can just book whatever time they please. While we'd be in the same line, we entered the line under different circumstances and one person (the LL user) likely waited less time.
With the new DAS system, I cannot get DAS anymore likely, and we still have the LL person giving Disney money (which they love) and in the LL line.
The solution is probably just implementing something akin to paper fastpass again and reverting DAS, but Disney doesn't want to do the former because it means less money and doesn't want to do the latter because it means less money. Pandora's box is open and Disney just really likes preying on people desperate to get everything done.
Splash4eva
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Technically yes but to me to be allowed the multiple re rides is definitely an “advantage” and i say this as someone who haS DAS. The regular guest is not waiting in line to ride a headliner 3-4 times a day.
Moth
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And this is also a valid point to make, the average person typically isn't able to get into Flight of Passage several times a day, with DAS I was able to get on it around 5 times during my day at DAK. Which, while fun, had me think how legitimate the return times written down on my passes were?
Could the solution be more "truthful" return times? I don't think the ten minute gaps I had between my FoP rides were that "truthful" when stand-by, at the times was 60 minutes.
Angel Ariel
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the regular guest may not choose to ride a headliner 3-4 times in a day, absolutely. But if that's how they want to spend their time, they can. The DAS user is still waiting the same amount of time as a regular guest would. They're just doing it elsewhere.
Now I do understand the comments about being able to ride something else while waiting for DAS - that is an advantage, but one Disney allows for and we've been asked by mods not to debate any longer. But the ability to choose to wait for whatever ride you want to spend your time waiting for is something all guests should have.
Angel Ariel
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If you had return times written down, how long ago was that? It's all electronic now, and DAS return times are whatever the current posted standby wait is (typically minus 10 mins).
As many have shared here that 10 minutes is often also not an advantage as if the posted time is significantly longer than the actual wait (as Disney has made a practice of inflating posted wait times), the DAS user's time is still based on whatever is posted (whereas the standby guest benefits from the inflated time and not actually waiting that long).
Figgy1
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It's been electronic since 2015 or 16, a cm scanned your card or magic band, so about a decade
Moth
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Oof. I think my trip was 2022? I don't think it was written down, might've been getting mixed up with an earlier trip. All I remember largely was that I was able to do FoP like, 5 times in an hour and a half and was having the time of my life.
The main memory I have of DAS outside of sheer joy of doing FoP over and over again was my family making me use it on Splash Mountain for an earlier trip just so they can get on it and I'd sit outside of it because I don't like water rides haha.
I think my FoP stuff was electronic, mostly handled by my dad at the time for that trip since we were all burnt on the parks for the day and didn't want to leave Pandora and just kept doing FoP because I was in love with it.
I don't remember being able to do Rise of Resistance with it back then though? My parents said it wasn't eligible for the pass, I remember Slinky Dog was.
There's a lot of things to be said how they've handled DAS, I feel I carry too much bias in favor of it due to my favorable experiences with it. But I did enjoy the fact it allowed for more "downtime" during my vacation since I felt that most standby lines were overly crowded, especially for ones like Buzz and Frozen. I'd prefer to hang out in the area/roam for a bit and then return than be in a tight queue.
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By what you’re describing, it doesn’t sound like just DAS was used on the trip.
If the wait time for FoP was 60 minutes, it would be impossible with DAS in 2022 to ride it 5 times in 1.5 hours. I’m guessing he was also adding in paid options to enable the back to back. I suspect there was also more than 1.5 hours in the time it took for that many rerides.
Also, your family would not have been able to ride splash on your DAS without you. The DAS recipient MUST ride as well. This was also most likely a paid option or other method of accessing the ride.
Finally, the only way a ride is not on DAS is if it has a virtual queue. I am not familiar enough with the history of rise to know if it had one at the time, but if it didn’t then again I suspect another method of LL access other than das was being used and is what he was referencing that it wasn’t available (or even possible there was a different reason why your family decided not to ride but might not have communicated)