Lord Fozzinator
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Well I didn’t say that, I just said that I don’t believe that Wreck-It-Ralph would fit thematically with the rest of the land.
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MK New Buzz Lightyear’s Space Ranger Spin Updates Coming to Walt Disney World
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Brer Oswald
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Is there a ride at this park that isn’t “popular”? Wait times shouldn’t be the judge. The fact of the matter is that this ride has never been up to par with the “Disney standard”, and these long overdue updates aren’t going to change that. What the ride needs is a complete overhaul in terms of set design and figures. It looks on par with my local laser tag arena (which isn’t great).
AndyS2992
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Oh thank god, this ride has needed a major refurb for years. It's an awful experience when you compare it to any other version of it around the World. Old, dirty, tons of broken effects, the targets don't light up when you hit them, the guns are mounted and so forth.
dmc493
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Your argument is spiraling. The definition of popular is its wait time because that’s the indication of how many people want to experience it, and your last post claimed it wasn’t popular.
As for set design, I think it’s a solid experience and the refurb will give it the treatment and updates it deserves
StarWarsGirl
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Oh, finally getting updates...
Sir_Cliff
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I'm with those who have a positive view of this attraction.
I am probably in the minority, but I prefer Buzz (especially in its DL and DLP incarnations) to Midway Mania and certainly Spiderman. The laser guns are more intuitive, fun, and less exhausting than what they went with for those rides and I also think it has a little more charm and whimsy than those slicker rides. To me, it's one of those fun, charming rides that can eat a lot of people and be enjoyed by everyone from little kids to adults of which Disney needs more. I certainly don't buy the Stockholm Syndrome-esque notion that anything that doesn't routinely have 1hr+ waits is unpopular and unworthy of investment.
I suspect, though, there will be some people who find it the furthest thing on earth from charming!
I am probably in the minority, but I prefer Buzz (especially in its DL and DLP incarnations) to Midway Mania and certainly Spiderman. The laser guns are more intuitive, fun, and less exhausting than what they went with for those rides and I also think it has a little more charm and whimsy than those slicker rides. To me, it's one of those fun, charming rides that can eat a lot of people and be enjoyed by everyone from little kids to adults of which Disney needs more. I certainly don't buy the Stockholm Syndrome-esque notion that anything that doesn't routinely have 1hr+ waits is unpopular and unworthy of investment.
I suspect, though, there will be some people who find it the furthest thing on earth from charming!
StarWarsGirl
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This isn't costing them that much money. It's essentially an overlay/refresh. An entirely new attraction would cost them more and would take more time, and considering how many capitalized projects they've got going on right now, I can't see them being able to justify another expensive one to management right now.
Purduevian
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You keep stating things and it keeps getting disputed by facts.
Yes, there are MK rides that are not popular including Liberty Square river boat, the carousel, and carousel of progress.
If you aren't going to judge popularity based on wait time... what can you base it off?
Clearly it's not up to your Disney Standard, and in no way do I think it's a cutting edge E-ticket. However, it is a a great Disney C ticket that still pulls decent waits even with a high capacity 21 years after opening. Of the 63 attractions Touring Plans lists for MK... Buzz comes in with a user rating at 26th..
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JohnD
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I'm glad this ride is getting updates (that we didn't even know were coming). Tomorrowland overall needs some love. Good start. They're refurbing Astro Orbiter right now. Hopefully, they'll take Space Mountain down for needed work after BTMRR re-opens. Now do something with the Stitch space. Maybe they'll have a good excuse to bring him back after the release of the live action movie.
StarWarsGirl
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I enjoy both TSM and Buzz for different reasons. TSM is exhausting, you are right. I am rather good at it and my family is competitive though, lol. I detest Spiderman. I didn't even go on it on my last trip because I think it's stupid.
The only thing I dislike about the DL incarnation of Buzz is too few targets because of lower ceilings. I'm hoping with this refresh that they keep the same number of targets. I do like that the targets vary so you know they're worth different amounts, as well as being worth more while lit. The mounted cannons at the WDW one have also been a frustration of ours over the years (it's hard when two people are in a car and you have one control stick), as well as the limit at 999,999. I have been known to max out both can on the WDW version. At least at DL you can go see your score afterward.
UNCgolf
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I definitely think Buzz is better than Midway Mania or Spiderman -- having physical sets is a lot more interesting than essentially playing a bad video game on a screen.
I just don't really like target shooting rides period. I can't think of a single one that I think is a good attraction.
Purduevian
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off topic, but have you been on MIB alien attack at Universal? Fantastic ride IMHO
StarWarsGirl
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Disneyland has multiple rides like Buzz (and most rides in Fantasyland don't even have lightning lanes). They keep these attractions fresh with updates effects even though they're not pulling the wait times of Rise of the Resistance. Disneyland, as a result, manages to handle crowds far, far better than MK because you basically can always find an attraction with a less than 30 minute wait, even if it is Mr. Toad's Wild Ride. It doesn't mean that these attractions aren't worthy of upkeep or should be replaced with the latest and greatest just because they've got short wait times. Far from it...they should put more of these in MK and the other WDW parks so that they handle crowds better.
And also...who cares if Buzz is the last one to fill up Lightning Lanes. You use up your three earlier and then can grab another one that's not filled. That should be how it works. Disneyland I sometimes could get five LLs per day. WDW if I can get a fourth, I'm happy.
And lastly, as I said in another post, there is no way with all the current projects that the lower level management will convince upper level management to spend money on Buzz. They're already having to take funding for the current capitalized projects, which means that they have to take out loans, determine a payback period, etc. Management is NOT going to want to take out more money to spend upgrading this attraction, but they likely can justify some spending on upgrades that don't cost as much, especially if they can prove this will reduce expenses or increase park capacity due to fewer breakdowns.
lazyboy97o
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Even if it were the case, what do you think that actually means? Asbestos becomes dangerous when it is damaged. It can be left in place. It requires serious care (read it’s expensive) but it can also be removed. Asbestos was used across Phase 1 of Walt Disney World and that hasn’t stopped them from reusing spaces. The space this thread is actually about had asbestos in it.
That’s not necessarily true. Something with a high wait time can be less popular than something with a lower wait time.
Jayspency
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More people should be doing Carousel of Progress. Just sayin.
StarWarsGirl
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Space probably needs some heavy duty work. I THINK, of I'm remembering correctly from the 2009 refresh, that they also have to take PeopleMover down while refreshing Space. So that one probably will need some more time/planning. PeopleMover's ramp was made by a company no longer in business, so they need a better solution there to fix it because it keeps breaking. Space probably also needs a full retrack and could do with upgrades. But those will cost more money, and they need to get through some of these other projects before they can start spending money there.
I recall reading Stitch backs up to Cosmic Ray's kitchen, so they're fairly limited in what they can do back there due to spacing constraints. I think it's probably more likely that they'd take down the Speedway for a future project, especially since they've given no indication of changing the cars to electric like they did for DL. So it seems a bit more likely that they'll use the space from Stitch for something like a meet and greet. They've also used that space as a rain shelter, which they definitely need more of in Florida. That's the one thing I think is great about the reopened spaces in Epcot...plenty of rain shelters.
Speaking of DL...that Tomorrowland is worse from an aesthetic perspective than MK's. They need to go help that one out first; it looks like a graveyard of things past. The old PeopleMover tracks just hanging out, the Carousel of Progress theater that's now the Star Wars Launch Bay and a DVC lounge...even Space Mountain 's exterior somehow looks brownish instead of the pristine white of WDW's.
PeopleMover tracks *sigh* The grey tacks are for the monorail, brown is PeopleMover
Don't even know what's happening here...Space Mountain is somewhere back there and they managed to block the view of that gorgeous building...for this...and that's the old COP building on the left there.
Got some paint rubbing away...
And their Astro Orbitor isn't on top of the building, so they put...this...
They call it Sorrowland over there. I mean, it's like there's the rest of the park, which is gorgeous and meticulously maintained...and then there's Tomorrowland. They really need to just shut most of it down and start over. At least WDW's just needs more rides. I enjoy going over there, hanging out, getting my Joffrey's, having my quiet spot over there, riding PeopleMover...DL's I go in, ride Space and Buzz and leave as quickly as possible. It's basically like what Dinoland was compared to the rest of AK.
Agent H
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Dinoland is (for future reference was) much better than this.
Lord Fozzinator
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I think a Tomorrowland update for MK will most likely come after Villains and Cars land open. Once they have those rides open, they would probably have enough capacity for a couple years. They would probably tear down the speedway and replace it with 1 or 2 attractions, refurb space mountain, possible Carousel of progress replacement, and something to put in stitch.
Gusey
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I'm so happy this seems that Buzz is staying for the long haul. I've always preferred Buzz to Tou Story Mania because of the physical sets and I'd been worried since Hong Kong added Ant Man and screens to theirs that something similar would happen to MK. Instead, we're getting a new animatronic which is best case scenario. P.S. Buzz Lightyear is a Sci-fi themed attraction so fits in Tomorrowland