In Defense of the Stroller Pushers

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The Tuna

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I've been on all sides of this issue - pedestrian, stroller pusher, wheelchair pusher, wheelchair passenger, The only thing I haven't used is a scooter.

1. People pushing others do not always pay attention. You have to be constantly aware of the crowds around you.
2.People walking do not always pay attention. If you make a sudden stop, or change direction, the person near you pushing another cannot adjust as quickly as another "walker."

When the two groups meet accidents happen. Neither group is totally innocent nor totally guilty - just individuals within each group.
Well said and I kinda my point. People on these boards and others complain about getting hit by stroller pushers, but I was blown away by the amount of people who can't seem to look where they are going. And as stated I saw a power pusher as well and thought what a tool she was. With some people it's their world, and we jsut live in it. Essentially people need to look up and pay attention and have some courtesy towards one another.
 

Britt

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At least in my state if you - made NO ATTEMPT to stop and there was sufficient distance for you to be able to ATTEMPT a stop yes you would be in a 'room without a view'.

In the case where someone darted out in 10' in front of you - no it would be considered evolution in action.

In our case it was a young woman in jogging clothes who ran down two people with her stroller, No pause no stop just kept going - we did not bother to chase as we were focused on getting the old man help as he went down hard I was at least able to catch DW.
Its crazy to me you think being hit by a stroller is a "room without a view" punishable offense. And know of NO state where they would put ANYONE in jail for it. Im with the other poster...they'd probably laugh their butts off at you, slap you with the fines and escort you out of court.
 

ford91exploder

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Its crazy to me you think being hit by a stroller is a "room without a view" punishable offense. And know of NO state where they would put ANYONE in jail for it. Im with the other poster...they'd probably laugh their butts off at you, slap you with the fines and escort you out of court.

Look at post I was replying to we were talking about CARS not Strollers, As these are CRIMINAL offenses not Civil and once the county prosecutor decides to move forward - well the judge can dismiss but that's about it.

Technically battery is touching another without consent and if the officer on scene decides it's justified it is indeed a chargeable offense. Hitting someone with anything which leaves a mark is assault with a deadly weapon.

Think on that the next time you go to push someone away or grab them, YOU could go to jail.
 

G00fyDad

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The Empress Lilly

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Meh, it's Disney. Crowded, busy.

People stop and stare. Change plans midway. Stop to call a stray kid. Walk towards sounds and sights catching their eye. And people push a child around. Are a bit old. Or tired. It is all not a problem.

The problem is what Houellebecq named a society as market and struggle. The idea that everybody is permanently out to take something away from you. That life (and it's cute bonsai version, a theme park) is a struggle of all against all, a battle for every inch of territory and for dominance in every encounter.

I blame capitalism, my default position. It creates a society of all against all, with winner takes it all mechanisms, turning encounters that should be a polite exchange of pleasantries into a confrontation with winners and losers.
 

tmc917

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No one wants to be "hit" or "bumped" by a stroller, but when you come to Disney World, you have to expect that will happen. It is a place full of children of all ages. Seems kind of ignorant to not think that. (Not calling anyone ignorant!) Kinda like if you go black Friday shopping, chances are you will be hit by a shopping cart. Know your surroundings, and expect the worst. IMHO.
 

disneyfan56

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I blame capitalism, my default position

How people choose to behave in an amusement park has nothing to do with a system of economics.

It has everything to do with people not being raised right, trophies being given to anyone who shows up and experts telling us that our little darlings self-esteems might be damaged if we discipline them. It's called entitlement.
 

The Empress Lilly

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Consider this, the pathways were designed for ambulatory and wheeled patrons one wide. Introduce double and triple wides theres friction. Parades and Groups more friction. Brazilians, Parade, tired parents, irritated little ones Trifecta!
Yup!


The middle of Fantasyland. The way it was designed, and the audience for which it was designed. Barely any strollers. Barely any kids. No tour groups, no families in matching shirts. No groups moving as packs of wolves. No SUV strollers. No obese people, which was an obscure affliction for which you received help. No clutter on the pathways of Disney trying to vend junk or food to ill-dsiciplined, impulsive guests.

The result is hardly any bumping into each other, and in case that does happen, it leads to an exchange of pleasantries. 'Terribly sorry, old chap'.
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wm49rs

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Well said and I kinda my point. People on these boards and others complain about getting hit by stroller pushers, but I was blown away by the amount of people who can't seem to look where they are going. And as stated I saw a power pusher as well and thought what a tool she was. With some people it's their world, and we jsut live in it. Essentially people need to look up and pay attention and have some courtesy towards one another.
Plenty of people pushing around the USS Graco that don't look where they're going because of distractions as well. However I'm not seeing you excoriate them....

Courtesy works in more than one direction....
 

Animaniac93-98

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Consider this, the pathways were designed for ambulatory and wheeled patrons one wide. Introduce double and triple wides theres friction. Parades and Groups more friction. Brazilians, Parade, tired parents, irritated little ones Trifecta!

But the solution is simple! You just get rid of all planters, trees, curbs, benches, trashcans and any other "obstacles" to "improve" the overall park experience. :rolleyes:
 

The Empress Lilly

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How people choose to behave in an amusement park has nothing to do with a system of economics.

It has everything to do with people not being raised right, trophies being given to anyone who shows up and experts telling us that our little darlings self-esteems might be damaged if we discipline them. It's called entitlement.
Entitlement society, that too. Yes.

Although that can be deceptive. 'Entitlement' is what the propertied classes call the lower classes vying for their piece of the pie. Which nicely returns us to class. If only because I am now relishing in the fact that we may turn a 'double wide stoller on a redneck rampage' thread into a discussion about Marx!

WDW has moved downwards from middle classes to lower classes. Lower classes need to physically and verbally exert dominance over their immediate surroundings. It is the sole means at their disposal, culturally and economically, over their immediate physical territory, which is the extend of their personal domain, economically and psychologically. Upper class can yield, he is the winner in the public sphere by default, and so only needs to concern himself with cultural capital, with an outward display of good upbringing. Whereas the un-propertied classes will - to use their language here for added effect - be ****** over if they do not defend their turf.
Not that it is a matter of superior behaviour. If you want to see the propertied classes misbehave, observe them during that uncertain period of time when inheritances are divided, when they will do their shoving and pushing as much as the trailer parker pushes and shoves his way to a Turkey leg stand.
 

The Empress Lilly

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I bet if Disney doubled the rental price of their strollers it would weed out many of the guests who use them for anything but getting a toddler around.
I would think so by intuition.

But WDW often defies logic that applies to the rest of the world. It is it's own little bubble. Raising the prices of strollers does not affect the WDW audience. Never does.

WDW is full of these amazing people who look like they live in a trailer park but who have infinite disposable income. They can afford a doubling of prices. The higher prices then mean they want to get their money's worth. They feel entitled. They paid the price of a car rental for a stroller so will use it. And park anywhere, bring it into restaurants and shows, on monorails and busses. This then increases the value of strollers. And so other people who once didn't use them will now want to rent one too.

The result of doubling the price of strollers will be a doubling of their obnoxious misuse and so a doubling of their numbers. :cyclops:
 
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ford91exploder

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No one wants to be "hit" or "bumped" by a stroller, but when you come to Disney World, you have to expect that will happen. It is a place full of children of all ages. Seems kind of ignorant to not think that. (Not calling anyone ignorant!) Kinda like if you go black Friday shopping, chances are you will be hit by a shopping cart. Know your surroundings, and expect the worst. IMHO.

There is a BIG distance between being bumped by a stroller accidentally by a parent distracted by their children and someone repeatedly taking a couple hundred pounds of kids and stroller and hitting you with it, backing up and doing it a dozen times stopping only when target threatens to call police.

This teaches kids a really bad lesson, That it's OK to hurt someone if it means getting what you want.

The other incident of the woman jogging through park with a double-wide bowling over two people one sufficiently badly that EMT's were called and not even stopping and there was NO way that the stroller jogger did not feel the impact of TWO people getting knocked to the ground. Never even slowing down just an entitled person swatting the gnats in her way.
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
Entitlement society, that too. Yes.

Although that can be deceptive. 'Entitlement' is what the propertied classes call the lower classes vying for their piece of the pie. Which nicely returns us to class. If only because I am now relishing in the fact that we may turn a 'double wide stoller on a redneck rampage' thread into a discussion about Marx!

WDW has moved downwards from middle classes to lower classes. Lower classes need to physically and verbally exert dominance over their immediate surroundings. It is the sole means at their disposal, culturally and economically, over their immediate physical territory, which is the extend of their personal domain, economically and psychologically. Upper class can yield, he is the winner in the public sphere by default, and so only needs to concern himself with cultural capital, with an outward display of good upbringing. Whereas the un-propertied classes will - to use their language here for added effect - be ****** over if they do not defend their turf.
Not that it is a matter of superior behaviour. If you want to see the propertied classes misbehave, observe them during that uncertain period of time when inheritances are divided, when they will do their shoving and pushing as much as the trailer parker pushes and shoves his way to a Turkey leg stand.

Good manners are a matter of a good upbringing, I live in small town america and people generally do not act like that UNLESS they live in one of the LARGE trailerparks and then they behave exactly as the @The Empress Lilly states. There are other trailerparks which are cooperatively owned by the residents and they DO NOT have the same problems. It's the Entitlement mentality which is a disease.
 
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