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So Disney holds certain rooms for public, not DVC?

captainkidd

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Original Poster
I'm renting points for our July vacation. We're staying at a 1 bedroom at Boardwalk. There are no 2 bedrooms available through DVC or Disney. There are however, studios available through Disney, but NOT DVC. So as a DVC member, if you wanted to use your points to stay at Boardwalk in a studio for those specific dates, you can't as those are held by Disney for the public?
 

Pioneer Hall

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Disney can only legally sell 98% of a resorts points. They need to keep a certain amount of inventory for when they need to take rooms offline and other operational issues. If they don't have to worry about inventory issues, then they can sell them as cash rooms. It's almost like Disney renting their points out to cash guests.
 

captainkidd

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Original Poster
So, just so I understand (and this is NOT a DVC rant):

If I was a member of DVC, and I decided that I wanted to go down in July and stay in a studio at the Boardwalk, I would be unable to do so. However, that room is available to the general public at rack rate prices?

Sorry, but if I WAS a DVC member, that would tick me off, to say the least.
 

Zummi Gummi

Pioneering the Universe Within!
So, just so I understand (and this is NOT a DVC rant):

If I was a member of DVC, and I decided that I wanted to go down in July and stay in a studio at the Boardwalk, I would be unable to do so. However, that room is available to the general public at rack rate prices?

Sorry, but if I WAS a DVC member, that would tick me off, to say the least.

Fortunately, you're not, and never will be (as you've stated many times) a DVC member, so this isn't something you have to be concerned about.
 

captainkidd

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Original Poster
Fortunately, you're not, and never will be (as you've stated many times) a DVC member, so this isn't something you have to be concerned about.

I have never once said I will never be a member. I have looked into it many times and found many things I like about it, and many things I don't like about it (this being another). I was just looking at the resale market last week and saw a great deal at WLV for 600 points. But this new revelation to me isn't a PRO, that's for sure.
 

DisneyJoe

Well-Known Member
So, just so I understand (and this is NOT a DVC rant):

If I was a member of DVC, and I decided that I wanted to go down in July and stay in a studio at the Boardwalk, I would be unable to do so. However, that room is available to the general public at rack rate prices?

Sorry, but if I WAS a DVC member, that would tick me off, to say the least.

As stated before, it's a Florida law regarding timeshares, not a Disney rule.
 

Tom

Beta Return
So, just so I understand (and this is NOT a DVC rant):

If I was a member of DVC, and I decided that I wanted to go down in July and stay in a studio at the Boardwalk, I would be unable to do so. However, that room is available to the general public at rack rate prices?

Sorry, but if I WAS a DVC member, that would tick me off, to say the least.

I'm a DVC member and this does not tick me off. I knew the rules going in, and I'm well aware that Florida time share law requires all time shares to reserve a % of their inventory for cash guests.

But, I also plan my trips well enough in advance that I don't run into these issues, so it has yet to affect me.

As stated before, it's a Florida law regarding timeshares, not a Disney rule.

Right.
 

captainkidd

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Original Poster
As stated before, it's a Florida law regarding timeshares, not a Disney rule.

Is there a time frame rule regarding the time at which they CAN put the room back up to DVC members? For example, if nobody has purchased the room through Disney by a certain number of weeks out, does it go back in to DVC available "inventory"?
 

Tom

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Is there a time frame rule regarding the time at which they CAN put the room back up to DVC members? For example, if nobody has purchased the room through Disney by a certain number of weeks out, does it go back in to DVC available "inventory"?

I'm not intimate with FL law, but I believe they have to hold the "cash" inventory open through each day, in case someone wants to book that day, just like with any hotel.
 

captainkidd

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Original Poster
I'm a DVC member and this does not tick me off. I knew the rules going in, and I'm well aware that Florida time share law requires all time shares to reserve a % of their inventory for cash guests.

But, I also plan my trips well enough in advance that I don't run into these issues, so it has yet to affect me.

When I did the tour last month, which was really more of Q&A about membership, never once was this mentioned to me, which is why I'm so surprised to be finding out about it.

I normally plan my trips far enough in advance, and we're all set for ourselves, but I wanted to try and get the studio for my MIL who now wants to go.

Hey, it's good to find out all this stuff in advance. I honestly never thought to ask the question when I was there.
 
Like someone said earlier, its as if Disney is the DVC owner and is electing to "rent" the points to someone. As a former DVC member, it was never an issue with us, and would not be if we were still owners.
 

captainkidd

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Original Poster
I'm not intimate with FL law, but I believe they have to hold the "cash" inventory open through each day, in case someone wants to book that day, just like with any hotel.

Yeah, see that would put a dent in the way I sometimes do things. When the whole family goes, I book as far in advance as possible. But I'd be pretty bummed if I decided to take the wife away for a last minute weekend and we couldn't stay where we wanted to. I didn't realize timeshare programs worked that way.
 

DisneyJoe

Well-Known Member
Yeah, see that would put a dent in the way I sometimes do things. When the whole family goes, I book as far in advance as possible. But I'd be pretty bummed if I decided to take the wife away for a last minute weekend and we couldn't stay where we wanted to. I didn't realize timeshare programs worked that way.

Timeshares aren't meant for those who want to take last minute get-aways.
 

Tom

Beta Return
Tell that to the chic on the DVC planning DVD.:lol:

That's marketing for ya! :)

And honestly, I'm not 100% sure where I heard about the FL law. It's probably buried in the pile of Terms and Conditions they give you before you sign. We took our stuff home to read after our trip, and THEN signed and purchased. We didn't sign on the spot, because I wanted to read every word. I imagine that's where it's listed.
 

tjkraz

Active Member
Florida law does not mandate that timeshare rooms be held aside for non-owners. The 2% ownership that DVC retains is intended to be used for room maintenance purposes. Owning 2% of each resort's points allows DVC to take each villa out of service 4-5 days per year for routine deep cleaning, painting, carpet replacement or any necessary physical repairs.

Generally speaking, when you see villas available to the general public it's a byproduct of the exchange program which allows members to use points for Disney Cruise Line and many other non-DVC destinations.

Let's say a DVC member wishes to take a 3-night Disney cruise. The cost is either $1500 cash or 200 DVC points. The member chooses to use his/her points.

DVC collects 200 VWL points and coordinates the DCL booking. Problem is those 200 DVC points are of absolutely no value to Disney Cruise Line. DCL has set-aside a cabin and they want their $1500.

Essentially what happens is that DVC pays the $1500 to DCL. So DVC is out $1500 but they have the 200 VWL points. DVC has to turn those 200 points into at least $1500 cash in order to cover the cost of the exchange. The mechanism through which they do this is making villas available to cash guests. DVC will set-aside 200 worth of villa rooms and turn them over to Central Reservations.

This is really the only way for the exchange programs to work. As I said, DVC points are of no value to resorts in the Disney Collection, Concierge Collection or Adventurer Collection. Those programs only work because DVC is able to turn the points committed to such programs into cash rooms which are rented to the public.

In the greater sense, when you see a DVC villa available through CRO there may not be a member staying in the room but a member is using the room. The room only made it into the cash inventory as a result of a member deciding to trade out.

Many discussions focus on the poor value of trading out of DVC but it's still an incredibly popular option--particularly using points for things like DCL, Disneyland Hotel, and international Disney resorts (Paris, Tokyo, etc.) This is how most of the villa rooms get into the cash inventory.

Aside from that, two other possibilities are:

1. Resorts that are not fully sold-out. Disney still owns a percentage of Bay Lake Tower, Animal Kingdom Villas and Aulani. The percentage of rooms available to members is equal to the percentage sold. If AKV is 75% sold out, DVC members can book 75% of the rooms using points. The other 25% is Disney's to do with as they please (cash reservations, free upgrades from Value resorts, etc.)

2. Any villa rooms not reserved 60 days prior to arrival are given to CRO as "breakage" inventory. The idea is that if members aren't going to use the room, might as well try to make some money off of it. The proceeds from these transactions come back to members in the form of a dues credit. This most frequently happens at the larger resorts like SSR, OKW and AKV. It's pretty rare for other resorts to have unbooked points villas 60 days out.
 

harryk

Well-Known Member
I find that having unused rooms at a DVC resort have another value.
When my family wanted to stay at the Boardwalk, and my sister came along and also booked at the Boardwalk, we were offered rooms in the villas. This was our first experience with DVC, and did not even know about it at the time.
Our stay caused us to look into 'ownership' after we returned home and eventually we bought into DVC. The Boardwalk was sold out at the time and we bought 'ownership' into the Villas at the Wilderness Lodge.
It turns out to be a great selling scheme for DVC - offering reservations in a DVC resort at so-called 'rack rate' and the guest getting the experience.
On the other hand - my sister did not buy in since she did not like the idea of no daily housekeeping being available if she were a DVC member. She wants someone else to make the bed daily.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
What is the relationship between points and available rooms? Is it a 1:1 in that there are only enough points to book every room for every day of the year at the set point rate?
 

tjkraz

Active Member
What is the relationship between points and available rooms? Is it a 1:1 in that there are only enough points to book every room for every day of the year at the set point rate?

Correct.

At its core, a point-based timeshare is no different than the traditional timeshare model which was more popular 15-20 years ago. Under the traditional weeks-based model, for every room constructed the developer would sell 50-51 weeks to owners. The owner of Week 12 would have access to the room every single year during Week 12.

The extra week or two that was not sold would be used to paint, re-carpet and otherwise maintain the room.

A points-based timeshare is essentially the same, albeit with greater flexibility. If an entire year in a Bay Lake Tower Two Bedroom villa represents 18,000 points, DVC will sell 17,640 (98%) for every 2B that they build.
 

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