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Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

Tony the Tigger

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People have different opinions, clearly Ruffalo’s is that no one should buy WBD, but that day has passed and not an option here. Someone will buy WBD, and of the two choices Cameron has decided that it’s worse for Netflix to own WBD, for which I agree.

While I applaud his attempt to sway the conversation back to no one should be buying WBD, but at this point he is asking the wrong question. So the real question of Ruffalo should be which of the two option available is better for Hollywood? Because clearly most in Hollywood have come out against Netflix, including theater owners.

You’re concerned about movie theaters. I’m concerned about movie content.

Paramount is worse. Netflix will still make the content, you just don’t know how long it will be in theaters. Paramount will make the Ted Nugent story starring Sylvester Stallone, and the Trump story starring Mark Wahlberg. “Mel Gibson IS Steve Bannon.”
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
You’re concerned about movie theaters. I’m concerned about movie content.

Paramount is worse. Netflix will still make the content, you just don’t know how long it will be in theaters. Paramount will make the Ted Nugent story starring Sylvester Stallone, and the Trump story starring Mark Wahlberg. “Mel Gibson IS Steve Bannon.”
I’ve seen no proof so far that Paramount is changing their movies in such a way. Also they still have to make movies for the wider market, otherwise very few will see it and they’ll lose money on them. Unlike Netflix who has a very successful anti-theatrical business and up until this deal been very vocal about the theatrical model being outdated, and still to this day hasn’t done a full theatrical release for any of their movies.

So yeah I’m going to side with the theaters on this one. So while I’ve discussed the overall change in the market and the rise of streaming and its effects on the same in the past, I’m still very much pro-theatrical. I like the theatrical experience, even if it’s not for everyone, so support the choice as long as there is a choice. If theater owners start to come around and say they’ll be ok with Netflix swallowing WBD then maybe I’ll change my mind. Until then I’m still going to say Netflix is worse.
 

Tony the Tigger

Well-Known Member
I’ve seen no proof so far that Paramount is changing their movies in such a way. Also they still have to make movies for the wider market, otherwise very few will see it and they’ll lose money on them. Unlike Netflix who has a very successful anti-theatrical business and up until this deal been very vocal about the theatrical model being outdated, and still to this day hasn’t done a full theatrical release for any of their movies.

So yeah I’m going to side with the theaters on this one. So while I’ve discussed the overall change in the market and the rise of streaming and its effects on the same in the past, I’m still very much pro-theatrical. I like the theatrical experience, even if it’s not for everyone, so support the choice as long as there is a choice. If theater owners start to come around and say they’ll be ok with Netflix swallowing WBD then maybe I’ll change my mind. Until then I’m still going to say Netflix is worse.

I take it you haven’t watched CBS lately.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
I take it you haven’t watched CBS lately.
There is a reason why I said movies and not all content because I knew you would bring that up. I also won’t go deep into it because it falls into off limit topics, so I’ll just say that current administration isn’t there long term, so I worry less about that aspect in a long term sense.

So sticking to theatrical and only theatrical, there is no proof that Paramount is fundamentally changing their studios business and making the type of movies you gave as examples.
 

BrianLo

Well-Known Member
It’s had a great domestic run, people slowly realized it was a good movie. The inevitable third will be far more front loaded as a result.

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Tony the Tigger

Well-Known Member
There is a reason why I said movies and not all content because I knew you would bring that up. I also won’t go deep into it because it falls into off limit topics, so I’ll just say that current administration isn’t there long term, so I worry less about that aspect in a long term sense.

So sticking to theatrical and only theatrical, there is no proof that Paramount is fundamentally changing their studios business and making the type of movies you gave as examples.

That seems pretty naive to me. Why would it happen to one and not the other?

Conservative media doesn’t go away when we change presidents. And it’s the same owners with the same goals.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
That seems pretty naive to me. Why would it happen to one and not the other?

Conservative media doesn’t go away when we change presidents. And it’s the same owners with the same goals.
David Ellison isn’t conservative (check who he donated to), even if his father is, ie the family pays both sides and plays to who is in power at the moment, classic rich person tactic.
 

Wendy Pleakley

Well-Known Member
There is a reason why I said movies and not all content because I knew you would bring that up. I also won’t go deep into it because it falls into off limit topics, so I’ll just say that current administration isn’t there long term, so I worry less about that aspect in a long term sense.

So sticking to theatrical and only theatrical, there is no proof that Paramount is fundamentally changing their studios business and making the type of movies you gave as examples.

There's also no proof that Netflix is going to kill WB theatrical releases, which they've pledged not to do. Why give Paramount the benefit of the doubt but not Netflix?

People will say what they need to say to get something approved, then their real plans come out.

I'll admit I'm cautiously optimistic that Netflix will do what they day, but I'd be naïve to not also have a fair bit of skepticism. Same with Paramount.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
There's also no proof that Netflix is going to kill WB theatrical releases, which they've pledged not to do. Why give Paramount the benefit of the doubt but not Netflix?

People will say what they need to say to get something approved, then their real plans come out.

I'll admit I'm cautiously optimistic that Netflix will do what they day, but I'd be naïve to not also have a fair bit of skepticism. Same with Paramount.
As has been said now numerous times, Netflix has up until this deal has been against theatrical. I'm a show me don't tell me type of person, ie the proof is in the pudding as they say. So when the CEO of Netflix just a mere 6 months before this deal becomes public says theatrical is an outmoded model and that the 45 day window is "out of step" with consumers, and their actions toward any theatrical release of their own content even while this deal is happening has been a short window, ie a few days, yeah their actions I'm sorry to say don't give me reason to give them the benefit of the doubt that they will keep the theatrical model for WB passed any contractual obligation. So yeah its all talk to me, they haven't changed course, so they don't get the benefit of the doubt from me.

As for Paramount, so far they haven't shown that with movies they are changing anything about the fundamentals of the studio, they are releasing so far the same type movies as they have been before being bought by Skydance, so they have given me reasons to give them the benefit of the doubt. If they change course on that, well then my opinion will change. But until then, yeah they are the better option between the two when just looking at the theatrical space, which is all I care about in this instance.

As for the other concerns that people have regarding Paramount, without delving too much into it, as I said in my other post, the Ellison's play both sides, Larry has been doing that his whole career donating to both sides prior to 2016, and David is on record as being a Democratic supporter his whole life including up to the recent elections where he donated to those candidates, while his dad donated toward the other side. They are playing the game to gain favor with whomever is in power, just like all rich people do. So this idea that they are wholly conservative is just narrative and not true, they are whatever the political wind is blowing, again like all rich people.
 

TP2000

Well-Known Member
Weekend box office is in. Numbers were likely muted a bit by the record-setting Blizzard of '26 in the Northeast and Olympics viewership/interest coast-to-coast, including getting an early night on Saturday ahead of that incredible hockey game.

Notable thing is that family cartoon GOAT moved up into first place in its second weekend out, with Zootopia's reign coming to an end finally. But what a run for Zootopia 2!

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TP2000

Well-Known Member
Regarding Avatar 3: A Planet Without Merchandise, as the kids say "there's not much juice left in the squeeze". (Do the kids actually say that? I doubt it.)

Avatar 3 seems to be ending its global run, perhaps with another two weeks left before Spring Break tent poles start arriving. Here is how Avatar 3 compares to the previous two, adjusted for inflation.

And Burbank already agreed to spend another $800 Million in production on the next two? With zero toy n' merch sales? 🤔

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MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member

BrianLo

Well-Known Member
As has been said now numerous times, Netflix has up until this deal has been against theatrical. I'm a show me don't tell me type of person, ie the proof is in the pudding as they say. So when the CEO of Netflix just a mere 6 months before this deal becomes public says theatrical is an outmoded model and that the 45 day window is "out of step" with consumers, and their actions toward any theatrical release of their own content even while this deal is happening has been a short window, ie a few days, yeah their actions I'm sorry to say don't give me reason to give them the benefit of the doubt that they will keep the theatrical model for WB passed any contractual obligation. So yeah its all talk to me, they haven't changed course, so they don't get the benefit of the doubt from me.

We will certainly see. I’m reminded of the fear around the Activision-Blizzard deal with Microsoft and the doubt there they’d keep some of those games third party.

Hilariously no one thought Microsoft would go basically entirely third party instead. Which is NOT to say Netflix will do the same, but sometimes in the process they might see the light.

If there’s a financial case to release movies theatrically first and it results in overall meaningfully more demand and performance, Netflix may see the light. If there isn’t (though Iger has made a good case there is), then theatrical is doomed no matter who buys. K-pop 2 is a good test bubble.
 

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