MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[jah4955]

Speaking of 90s kids, a relevant point.

That show was stunning. And I never liked superheros. Before and since.

 

[HMF]

That show was stunning. And I never liked superheros. Before and since.

I could never get into superhero stuff because I like having believable continuities and world-building I can follow that don't get re-booted every five years.

 

[WorldExplorer]

I want to joke that Buzz Lightyear should be put in Fantasyland, because sci-fi is a type of fiction and therefore fantasy.

But at this point I fully believe if they actually did that people would unironically make that argument.

 

[ChrisFL]

I could never get into superhero stuff because I like having believable continuities and world-building I can follow that don't get re-booted every five years.

Ironic since the MCU has maintained continuity for 17+ years so far (and Doomsday looks to keep that trend) save for a couple of minor changes along the way.

 

[Phicinfan]

I feel like pure definition doesn’t really work in this case though. A frontier could mean a frontier of outer space, or frontiers of thought, or the Australian frontier wars, or heck, Frontier airlines or a Nissan Frontier. If we’re being real here, we all have a pretty solid idea of what the OG Frontierland was depicting. One rather specific frontier, time, place, and culture. If, as people like to say these days, this “no longer serves”, well, ok. But no need to rewrite history and pretend this was always the theme when it really wasn’t.

The issue you all fail to understand is this isn’t the OG Frontierland, it’s new and different and potentially exciting

 

[Phicinfan]

Frontier does not mean “a wooded, mountainous area.” A carefully curated national park, established and maintained by a strong, stable central government that has existed for hundreds of years, and surrounded on all sides by fully built up and modern population centers, is pretty much the opposite of “frontier” - even if the population and its government are talking cars with googly eyes.

Talk to Yosemite. Yogi bear does not agree with you, nor do I

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

The issue you all fail to understand is this isn’t the OG Frontierland

I understand that. I like elements of the OG Frontierland. Most notably the riverboat and Disney style saloon show!

 

[Phicinfan]

I understand that. I like elements of the OG Frontierland. Most notably the riverboat and Disney style saloon show!

I loved Tom Sawyer island, my sons and I always went over on every trip. But at some point you have to realize how poorly used that space was. I am not giving Disney a free pass, but I am excited to see if they can do this well

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

I would love to see the waterfalls come back but this will probably never happen because they would be adding something that requires maintenance that does not make money.

In today’s Disney, for every change they make, it must be considered, “Will it make money?”

In today’s Disney I think there will never again be theming for the sake of theming.

Any and all theming must be tied to making money in some way, be it selling alcohol or selling LLs.

LLs and alcohol being the number 1 and 2 highest margin products they sell today.

I think there was a time Disney cared about theming and valued theming as it enhanced the guest experience, but those days are gone now and as many have told me in these boards, Disney is a business and business is business.

Things like repaving and updating Adventureland pavement and adding Ichabod Crane?

 

[lazyboy97o]

Talk to Yosemite. Yogi bear does not agree with you, nor do I

The entire reason Yosemite is a national park is because it was being settled and there was a deliberate effort to stop it. It’s preserved, not unexplored.

 

[FerretAfros]

I want to joke that Buzz Lightyear should be put in Fantasyland, because sci-fi is a type of fiction and therefore fantasy.

But at this point I fully believe if they actually did that people would unironically make that argument.

MK's 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea ride wound up in Fantasyland in 1971 using that very logic. Disneyland's Submarine Voyage did not have the 20K theme (originally no IP, Finding Nemo since 2007) and has always been in Tomorrowland.

Other than the canoes and keelboats (which are only nominally IP; DL's canoes pre-date the Davy Crockett without meaningful changes) and the Swiss Family Treehouse, all attractions based on Disney's film library were confined to Fantasyland until 1989, when DL's Splash Mountain and Goofy About Health at Epcot's Wonders of Life opened.

The parks existed and were incredibly successful for decades with attractions based on Disney's library confined to Fantasyland. It's really not that crazy of an idea.

 

[jah4955]

MK's 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea ride wound up in Fantasyland in 1971 using that very logic. Disneyland's Submarine Voyage did not have the 20K theme (originally no IP, Finding Nemo since 2007) and has always been in Tomorrowland.

Other than the canoes and keelboats (which are only nominally IP; DL's canoes pre-date the Davy Crockett without meaningful changes) and the Swiss Family Treehouse, all attractions based on Disney's film library were confined to Fantasyland until 1989, when DL's Splash Mountain and Goofy About Health at Epcot's Wonders of Life opened.

The parks existed and were incredibly successful for decades with attractions based on Disney's library confined to Fantasyland. It's really not that crazy of an idea.

That is a major reason why I loved WDW.

Any other IP presence from that era I'd consider mostly-relatively-subtly-placed (examples like singing Ballad of Davy Crockett in Country Bears, or Heigh-Ho in Tiki Room, the Snow White clip in Spaceship Earth, etc.).

Although consdiered its own land, Mickey's Birthdayland wasn't too jarring b/c it was adjacent to Fantasyland and considered temporary to commemorate one anniversary.

From what I remember when it opened "Splash" was virtually-universally-accepted as belonging in Frontierland...despite all the factors discussed ad nauseam.

As also discussed elsewhere, the use of Goofy in WoL fit like a "glove," especially for that particular time.

I can argue the IP dam began to crack with MGM....which was pretty understandable there.

Buzz or Mike in Tomorrowland, multiple Aladdin Carpets in Adventureland, or Cars in Frontierland I'll never understand.

Going to bed now.

 

[HMF]

I want to joke that Buzz Lightyear should be put in Fantasyland, because sci-fi is a type of fiction and therefore fantasy.

But at this point I fully believe if they actually did that people would unironically make that argument.

The talking point that Tomorrowland in its current form has basically been Fantasyland East has been around a few decades now.

 

[HMF]

The issue you all fail to understand is this isn’t the OG Frontierland, it’s new and different and potentially exciting

I understand that but even with this new direction anthropomorphic cars don't really fit the new direction either.

 

[HMF]

MK's 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea ride wound up in Fantasyland in 1971 using that very logic. Disneyland's Submarine Voyage did not have the 20K theme (originally no IP, Finding Nemo since 2007) and has always been in Tomorrowland.

The Nemo Subs has always felt like it doesn't know exactly what lane it wants to be in. It starts out in a serious exploritory vain akin to the original Submarine Voyage. Then suddenly the Nemo characters show up, and the tone abruptly shifts to basically watching a DVD or Blu-Ray through a porthole.

 

[James Alucobond]

The talking point that Tomorrowland in its current form has basically been Fantasyland East has been around a few decades now.

Aside from TRON (which fits fine), Buzz and Monsters are really the only additions to the land within that timeframe. They're definitely not great fits, but they don't completely unbalance the theming of the land alone. Also, while Buzz isn't great, I'd argue it's at least superficially more appropriate for the land than Speedway, which is original.

 

[JoeCamel]

So if Frontierland is being lost and everyone is expecting Disney villains in Villainland what if Disney cut a deal with WB/D for Westworld? Now that would be a different Disney.
Westworld Hotel attached anyone?

 

[HMF]

Aside from TRON (which fits fine), Buzz and Monsters are really the only additions to the land within that timeframe. They're definitely not great fits, but they don't completely unbalance the theming of the land alone. Also, while Buzz isn't great, I'd argue it's at least superficially more appropriate for the land than Speedway, which is original.

Buzz is kind of pushing it, It's unquestionably Sci-Fi though. MILF on the other hand never fit and never will. I am hoping someday Tomorrowland will have three great new thematically appropriate attractions in the spaces for SGE, MILF and Buzz though of course it will depend on whether the next CEO keeps the IP mandate or not.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I'd argue it's at least superficially more appropriate for the land than Speedway, which is original.

Speedway never did, and doesn’t fit in its current form. Why they haven’t added any “autopia” theme and branding is beyond me.

The opportunity for kids (of any age) to drive a car in a castle park will always be popular. The actual track and cars are fine - but add just a touch of scenery! Even Dollywood has some Burma Shave signs at least! Haha

 

[JoeCamel]

Speedway never did, and doesn’t fit in its current form. Why they haven’t added any “autopia” theme and branding is beyond me.

The opportunity for kids (of any age) to drive a car in a castle park will always be popular. The actual track and cars are fine - but add just a touch of scenery! Even Dollywood has some Burma Shave signs at least! Haha

Recreate the Germany layout in 15" gauge and they would have something........