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MK Piston Peak and Villains Land Construction Thread

DrStarlander

Well-Known Member
If Disney could build a $300M ride in one quarter, then that would blow out the net profit for that quarter.
My understanding is that the entire cost -- say $300 million in your example -- is a capital expense and does not affect the company's net profits by that whole amount. Rather, it is depreciated over, say, 30 years, so in a straight-line depreciation (for simplicity's sake), it would affect the net profits $10 million per year. But that depreciation period would not begin until the asset is put into service (the project is complete).

I've written a lot in this thread about why Disney's projects may seem long or there may be periods of inactivity on site (due to phase buffers), but there is a tension because there's also pressure to complete projects efficiently. Projects that drag on tend to be more expensive and risky for many reasons, including potential for:
  • Catastrophic disruption (economic, war, pandemic) exposing an incomplete project
  • Labor costs going up
  • Material costs going up
  • Value of the dollar changing disadvantageously
  • Extended equipment rental costs (cranes, construction trailers, etc.)
  • Permit extension costs
  • Increased borrowing costs
People commissioning construction or managing construction generally want to get the project done quickly. That's what's usually cheaper, and less risky (and for whatever reason they are pursuing the project in the first place, they tend to want benefit of the project sooner rather than later). And they also want to hit a deadline and have phase buffers to keep things smooth and predictable and be able to deal with contingencies.

These two dynamics push in opposite directions and create a healthy tension. That's what drives the rational project schedule. For people who make construction project management their profession, this tension is their daily life at work.

Having said all that, there indeed may be some benefit to cash flow and debt related to the pace of projects. But I don't think the benefits of stretching out projects typically outweigh the expenses/risks and, again, the effects are not really around net profits. It would be easy to swamp the cost of the debt with rising project costs and risk with an over-extended project timeline. For example, say the cost of debt is 5%. It would likely be better to take on more debt -- if the company's balance sheet can handle it -- and finish the project efficiently, than fund the project from cash on hand only and incur the risk of 5% to 20% in increase in project costs due to all the possible impacts listed above.

But all this is the something an analyst should just ask the CFO in the next quarterly call, it's something shareholders may want to know and there shouldn't be anything secretive about it. It's just finance.

If a park is already profitable, why rush a new construction project when you can take your time?
That calls into question the value of the project in the first place, right?

It’s not an issue of stalling after the project has started. Disney plans to have long timelines.
Sure, to be clear, I don't think they're actually stalling during the project. I was making up a fictional depiction of how some fans may think this plays out to show how implausible that is. ("Dragging their feet" suggests an active stalling during the project, that phrase doesn't really apply to a long project schedule determined up front.) I do agree, the projects have "long" timelines (for whatever that means, my city's light rail lines have decades-long project schedules) and specifically, Disney's timelines -- like any huge project -- include buffers at many phases, sometimes creating a sense of inactivity that drives fans nuts.

then utilizes aspects of fast-track project delivery to also start visible construction work before the design process is complete.
Agreed. There are many details and construction drawings finished while earlier stages of the project have begun. If it takes 18 months to get to pouring foundations, say, that's 18 more months they can use to finalize the design of show scenes or whatever, at no negative impact. Overall this fast-track approach reduces timelines, which is good for fans and Disney.
 

Goofyernmost

Premium Member
Spreading Construction Cost... Why?

1. If Disney could build a $300M ride in one quarter, then that would blow out the net profit for that quarter. The financials would look like Disney's in financial trouble. And people don't (or purposely won't, because they want to score points against Disney) take into account that one-time expense. So, if the construction happens over many quarters, it doesn't blow a hole in the bottom line.

2. Disney spends billions in capital expense for lots of projects. And sometimes the cost of new rides in every park and new cruise ships, and new sports contracts can leave the free cash not so free. Spreading construction over many quarters allows for incoming cash to pay for the ongoing construction without having to borrow in advance (which costs extra money in interest fees).

3. If a park is already profitable, why rush a new construction project when you can take your time? Sure, Disney is leaving LL income on the table by doing so, but the LL for one ride isn't breaking the bank. However, when Disney is building a new DVC... well, we see how fast they can work. There's no profit coming from that project until it's finished. So, they finish it quickly.

4. Resources. Each project brings on a slew of new contractors and workers and building materials. They all can't work at once. Many parts of the project requires the previous part to be completed. Imagineers can't install AAs while the land is being cleared. And each part may have a lull because you're not sure when one part will be completed in order to bring on the next crew.

5. Insiders have told us Disney is notorious for not having the plans fully... planned. The final blueprints aren't finalized. Disney likes to add things creating a change of scope. Cost overruns means cutting out some things and that's another change in scope. That all adds delays.


Funny thing is...

For all the current construction projects that we can see, there doesn't seem to be any foot-dragging.
That is correct. No construction of this size waits until it is complete and then pays for the whole thing. Every build has a structure of payment for work completed. It's broken down that way. When a contractor has billed for the work that has been completed then Disney would have to pay for that part that is completed. Then they move on. No contractor is dumb enough just work for free for years on end.

Since I still believe that Disney doesn't use it own money to build things like this they borrow the money and use it in the same rate that the contractor bills. Taxes are usually only done after the attraction opens, in the meantime interest rates are accumulating and at the end of the year whether or not they "spread" it out, the same amount will be spent. There is no incentive to "drag it out". It loses potential sales as well as increase the cost. The quicker it opens that sooner that Disney can use the depreciation factor and start the Return on Investment.
 

AidenRodriguez731

Well-Known Member
Not even that unless permits change.
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I mean they did go through the effort to clear out space behind the railroad and Josh did explictly state that they had expansion plans for "past the berm" at Disney World not too too long ago specifically referencing MK.
I think they will EVENTUALLY (maybe not immediately) use this area
 

James Alucobond

Well-Known Member
There isn't a berm as such to begin with in this area. That said, my guess would be that all walkable space in this phase will reside within the tracks, but I wouldn't be that shocked if perhaps the show building for the coaster ended up outside the perimeter, though it seems unlikely given the dimensions that have been shared. If they did that, you could still have queue, load, and unload within the tracks and have the launch pass over above a tunnel for the train. But again, I wouldn't expect this to actually happen based on what we know so far.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
There isn't a berm as such to begin with in this area.
They’re also adding a ditch along the berm.

I feel like the train tracks will get pushed out a little bit to create more room inside the perimeter and avoid having anything go over/under the tracks
This would involve building a not very tall elevated structure for the tracks while leaving the actual berm in place. The water management drawings show the existing berm staying.
 

EricsBiscuit

Well-Known Member
Spreading Construction Cost... Why?

1. If Disney could build a $300M ride in one quarter, then that would blow out the net profit for that quarter. The financials would look like Disney's in financial trouble. And people don't (or purposely won't, because they want to score points against Disney) take into account that one-time expense. So, if the construction happens over many quarters, it doesn't blow a hole in the bottom line.

2. Disney spends billions in capital expense for lots of projects. And sometimes the cost of new rides in every park and new cruise ships, and new sports contracts can leave the free cash not so free. Spreading construction over many quarters allows for incoming cash to pay for the ongoing construction without having to borrow in advance (which costs extra money in interest fees).

3. If a park is already profitable, why rush a new construction project when you can take your time? Sure, Disney is leaving LL income on the table by doing so, but the LL for one ride isn't breaking the bank. However, when Disney is building a new DVC... well, we see how fast they can work. There's no profit coming from that project until it's finished. So, they finish it quickly.

4. Resources. Each project brings on a slew of new contractors and workers and building materials. They all can't work at once. Many parts of the project requires the previous part to be completed. Imagineers can't install AAs while the land is being cleared. And each part may have a lull because you're not sure when one part will be completed in order to bring on the next crew.

5. Insiders have told us Disney is notorious for not having the plans fully... planned. The final blueprints aren't finalized. Disney likes to add things creating a change of scope. Cost overruns means cutting out some things and that's another change in scope. That all adds delays.


Funny thing is...

For all the current construction projects that we can see, there doesn't seem to be any foot-dragging.
I don’t think this is true. An investment is a capital expenditure, and the cost would be depreciated over the economic lifespan of the investment. Sometimes, it is possible to accelerate the depreciation which they might do for tax purposes. But it still likely would not all come out of that one single quarter especially if the project is not yet completed. It would only affect free cash flow.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
People commissioning construction or managing construction generally want to get the project done quickly.
This is generally a result of the pay structure and requirements to do the work. Disney is different. Major projects are not design-bid-build so there isn’t a need to meet a pre-established fixed cost. Disney also buys a lot of the materials that are typically procured by a general contractor. This project involves the creation of giant laydown yards that will be used for storing materials and equipment, something a contractor would have to pay to provide on a lot of other projects.

Overall this fast-track approach reduces timelines, which is good for fans and Disney.
Fast-track project delivery can be used to reduce a project timeline but it is not a given. It can also let you spend more time on work.
 

Stripes

Premium Member
yes, that’s for construction - which is what the permit is for.

Unless the permit changes (which is possible) this is not for expansion.
The water management permit actually plans on the laydown yard in the picture being developed at some point after it has served its purpose. Without construction permits, it’s impossible to say when that will be, but the water management permit doesn’t need to “change” in order for that land to be developed.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
The water management permit actually plans on the laydown yard in the picture being developed at some point after it has served its purpose. Without construction permits, it’s impossible to say when that will be, but the water management permit doesn’t need to “change” in order for that land to be developed.
The grading is a hindrance to guest access.
 

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