Walt Disney – A Magical Life

[Andrew C]

What would you have any of us do? Boycott? Would that really change anything, no. Disney is going to do what Disney is going to do, and either we accept it or we sit on a forum and complain. There is little other recourse for the few dozen people here discussing it.

So no we sit here for page after page complaining, and nothing else.

Admit they dropped the ball? Stop searching for excuses?

It's funny when people comment on jobs they don't do like they're experts.

It is funny when people don't use common sense and the eyes given to them.

 

[mickEblu]

I don't have an issue with Iger, nor do I have an issue with Walt's voice. So those aren't part of the equation for me, its only the face. So if the face works in the context of the show, or can be viewed through a suspension of disbelief like Jack then I can work with it. For example I don't think that Jack sounds like Depp enough either, which is funny because I think he actually recorded the lines. So maybe its an issue with the audio systems used in the attractions that is causing the audio to sound off to people.

Ive never had an issue with Jack Sparrow's look or voice on POTC and from all my time in forums like this it doesn't seem like many people do. What I have an issue with however is hearing his damn name over and over and over again.

 

[Disney Irish]

Admit they dropped the ball? Stop searching for excuses?

Um, there is like 20 pages in the last 72 hours that have literally admitted that. And I don't see very many people if any at all searching or giving excuses, other than providing an opinion. If you want no one to express their opinion and just dump on everything, well you have plenty of other social media platforms that will go down that cesspool of a rabbit hole.

It is funny when people don't use common sense and the eyes given to them.

Common sense says that doing a face sculpt is very hard, and that very few people in the world can actually do it, and do it to the level that is acceptable by those here. So common sense says that its not a technological issue as you alluded to previously.

 

[flynnibus]

Only if you think Trump is ugly. Otherwise, the Trump face is very accurate. Not so much Walt, unfortunately. I think what "saves" it, for lack of a better term is Walt's voice and mannerisms, bringing a sense of nostalgia. You're not just focused on his face.

Trump's actual facial elements are on model, except his eyes are too deep and dark.. and it seems like all of Disney's guy in suit AAs look like this guy...



They can't seem to get the shoulders/neck/chest interaction right when dealing with men in modern suits. Trump's head moves like it's Bob above. Walt De Niro is all puffy chest. Both guys look like they went to horrible tailors in still images.

Trump's AA looks worse in close up photo isolation - but when you put them side by side with the source you can see how the elements are there, it just looks bad up close. In the HoP theater where the audience is much further away, it works better.

Walt De Niro looks like a bad photoshop job where someone took his eyes, nose, mouth and super imposed them on an oversized head. It lacks the vertical stretch Walt's tall forehead and chin projected. The chin and forehead are there.. but it's lost in the fat head and how the neck is seen.

Interestingly, the Walt AA looks better the further off center you are and look at him from the side. Which makes me wonder how much of the problem is really about the lighting/skin... where you don't get the right dimension from the head-on views. And the bad neck/shoulder/chest stuff is less distracting.

 

[Disney Irish]

Ive never had an issue with Jack Sparrow's look or voice on POTC and from all my time in forums like this it doesn't seem like many people do. What I have an issue with however is hearing his damn name over and over and over again.

To each their own, shows how different people view different experiences. I've had an "issue" with it in such that its noticeable to me every time, it doesn't take me out of the ride experience or anything, just like I hope that the face on Walt won't either.

 

[JohnD]

Trump's actual facial elements are on model, except his eyes are too deep and dark.. and it seems like all of Disney's guy in suit AAs look like this guy...

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They can't seem to get the shoulders/neck/chest interaction right when dealing with men in modern suits. Trump's head moves like it's Bob above. Walt De Niro is all puffy chest. Both guys look like they went to horrible tailors in still images.

Trump's AA looks worse in close up photo isolation - but when you put them side by side with the source you can see how the elements are there, it just looks bad up close. In the HoP theater where the audience is much further away, it works better.

Walt De Niro looks like a bad photoshop job where someone took his eyes, nose, mouth and super imposed them on an oversized head. It lacks the vertical stretch Walt's tall forehead and chin projected. The chin and forehead are there.. but it's lost in the fat head and how the neck is seen.

Interestingly, the Walt AA looks better the further off center you are and look at him from the side. Which makes me wonder how much of the problem is really about the lighting/skin... where you don't get the right dimension from the head-on views. And the bad neck/shoulder/chest stuff is less distracting.

We get it. You have a deep need to double down on everything and have the last word. See also Test Track.

 

[Andrew C]

Common sense says that doing a face sculpt is very hard, and that very few people in the world can actually do it, and do it to the level that is acceptable by those here. So common sense says that its not a technological issue as you alluded to previously.

Well, here is a perfect example of the excuses I mentioned. Do you honestly think is the best Disney can do? Honestly???

Of course it is hard to do. But cry me a river. As I said...some people are keen on settling...

 

[Disstevefan1]

Perfect is the enemy of good.

Perfect is also the enemy of pure garbage - see the ugly EPCOT planter and forever broken in ground lighting.

 

[Disstevefan1]

But cry me a river.

A timely phrase in the light of the destruction of RoA

 

[flynnibus]

We get it. You have a deep need to double down on everything and have the last word. See also Test Track.

Surprise dude.. you're on a discussion forum! Did the nurse drop you off at the wrong location?

 

[Disney Irish]

Well, here is a perfect example of the excuses I mentioned. Do you honestly think is the best Disney can do? Honestly???

Of course it is hard to do. But cry me a river. As I said...some people are keen on settling...

Where did I say any of that? Especially where did I say this is the best Disney can do?

Admitting that something is very hard and that only a few people on the planet can do it to the level that is acceptable is not an excuse, its an acknowledgement of the challenge in doing it.

Do I think Disney can do better, 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000, do I need to add more zeros to get my point across, ok let me add more because I don't think you get my point, 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000% YES.

But that doesn't mean that I can't acknowledge that its very hard and that its very likely that the very few people capable of this type of artistry in the world today probably aren't on Disney's payroll. That is not to take away from the capable Imagineers that they do employ, just that this is beyond their level of artistry.

For example, someone brought up Blaine Gibson, there was only one Blaine. Sure you can teach what Blaine knew, but only Blaine can do what Blaine did. And since he is no longer with us, there is no one that can do what Blaine did like Blaine. Just like there was only one Michelangelo, only one Rembrandt, and Picasso. You can have people who are impressionists, artists in their own right, but they aren't the original and can't duplicate it 100% and often fail in comparison.

None of this is excuses, yes they failed at the face sculpt and I think pretty much everyone here acknowledges that. Its just an acknowledgement that the artistry for this type of project is likely not available to Disney today, and that you can't just pick someone off the street and expect them to become Blaine Gibson. So hopefully they can improve upon this as time goes on, just like they have done for HoP, even if I still think Trump looks like he melted in the sun.

 

[flynnibus]

But that doesn't mean that I can't acknowledge that its very hard and that its very likely that the very few people capable of this type of artistry in the world today probably aren't on Disney's payroll. That is not to take away from the capable Imagineers that they do employ, just that this is beyond their level of artistry.

Sculpting for life figures is not some dead art. And Disney is supposed to be the most premiere company in the world when it comes to this technology. Disney can't figure out how to contract someone? They didn't have a problem doing so when it comes to painting rocks realistically..

 

[JohnD]

Surprise dude.. you're on a discussion forum! Did the nurse drop you off at the wrong location?

I just make my point and move on. You, OTOH, have a desired need to make sure you are right and everyone else is wrong. It's insufferable really.

 

[Incomudro]

It's funny when people comment on jobs they don't do like they're experts.

I'm certain you criticize your share of jobs you don't do.
Musicians?
Politicians?
Athletes?
Actors?

 

[Disney Irish]

Sculpting for life figures is not some dead art. And Disney is supposed to be the most premiere company in the world when it comes to this technology. Disney can't figure out how to contract someone? They didn't have a problem doing so when it comes to painting rocks realistically..

When was the last time that Disney did a convincing face sculpt of a real life person that didn't look off? 20 years ago? Maybe more? And who would have done that, are they still around? Again getting back to my point.

 

[mickEblu]

Where did I say any of that? Especially where did I say this is the best Disney can do?

Admitting that something is very hard and that only a few people on the planet can do it to the level that is acceptable is not an excuse, its an acknowledgement of the challenge in doing it.

Do I think Disney can do better, 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000, do I need to add more zeros to get my point across, ok let me add more because I don't think you get my point, 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000% YES.

But that doesn't mean that I can't acknowledge that its very hard and that its very likely that the very few people capable of this type of artistry in the world today probably aren't on Disney's payroll. That is not to take away from the capable Imagineers that they do employ, just that this is beyond their level of artistry.

For example, someone brought up Blaine Gibson, there was only one Blaine. Sure you can teach what Blaine knew, but only Blaine can do what Blaine did. And since he is no longer with us, there is no one that can do what Blaine did like Blaine. Just like there was only one Michelangelo, only one Rembrandt, and Picasso. You can have people who are impressionists, artists in their own right, but they aren't the original and can't duplicate it and often fail in comparison.

None of this is excuses, yes they failed at the face sculpt and I think pretty much everyone here acknowledges that. Its just an acknowledgement that the artistry for this type of project is likely not available to Disney today, and that you can't just pick someone off the street and expect them to become Blaine Gibson. So hopefully they can improve upon this as time goes on, just like they have done for HoP, even if I still think Trump looks like he melted in the sun.

They clearly can do better. Trump 2.0 is a very recent of example of that. Now whether they can achieve that sort of face sculpt on an AA with the articulation they desired for Walt is another story.

But really now, what excuse do we have for those eyebrows?

 

[flynnibus]

When was the last time that Disney did a convincing face sculpt of a real life person that didn't look off? 20 years ago? Maybe more? And who would have done that, are they still around? Again getting back to my point.

So you're saying no has created life life sculptures in recent decades? There are no statutes anywhere in the world? No busts? No 3D models?

The point is, Disney isn't the only place modeling is done... and if they don't have the inhouse expertise, you hire it in. Which is exactly what they used to love to boast about when chasing the best of the best for specialists.. like the guy who painted RSR.

 

[Incomudro]

My issue with this Walt AA, is the same issue that is going on with much of what Disney has been giving us in the parks lately.
We should wowed.
In the case of the Walt AA we should be saying "Did you see that new Walt Disney AA?" "It's amazing!"
File this AA with the Tiana ride.

 

[Disney Irish]

They clearly can do better. Trump 2.0 is a very recent of example of that. Now whether they can achieve that sort of face sculpt on an AA with the articulation they desired for Walt is another story.

But really now, what excuse do we have for those eyebrows?

Again why are people calling these excuses? Do I need to say it again for people in the back of the room. Disney failed in the face sculpt for Walt. Trump 2.0 IS NOT an improvement in my opinion. Had we gotten something the same level as Trump 2.0 it still would have looked off to everyone here. So that is an excuse that you all are trying to gaslight everyone here with. Trump 2.0 is a failure too, period end of story. Sure its not as bad as Trump 1.0, but its still a failure in my book. And you all want to call me a pixie duster, geez.

 

[flynnibus]

I just make my point and move on. You, OTOH, have a desired need to make sure you are right and everyone else is wrong. It's insufferable really.

The stupid thing is my post was agreeing with you... but you seem to have some tick that prevents you from reading.. so maybe get some help with that.