The guy who designed it also designed the rest of Animal Kingdom (obviously, I know he didn't do it alone). Perhaps what he was aiming for wasn't exactly what you were expecting, but I wouldn't say it's poorly laid out
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The guy who designed it also designed the rest of Animal Kingdom (obviously, I know he didn't do it alone). Perhaps what he was aiming for wasn't exactly what you were expecting, but I wouldn't say it's poorly laid out
Disstevefan1
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They absolutely need to try to attract their new customer base as they are pricing out their old customer base.
Raineman
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Ripping out classic attractions to replace them with something mediocre is just one of numerous reasons why I probably won't be back to WDW, and cost is certainly at the top of the list.
Chi84
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I’m not the right person to answer because I can’t imagine being emotionally attached to something like a theme park attraction. I’m not saying other people are wrong to feel that way but it’s outside my experience.
I would miss attractions like Pirates and Mansion but wouldn’t call it an emotional attachment.
Casper Gutman
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There was a vision that built the Disney parks. It was both a conscious and unconscious vision on the part of the original designers and the generation that followed. It resonated with guests and was key to the often unarticulated sense that the parks meant something, that they had a soul.
Maybe that vision is obsolete. Maybe it’s no longer socially acceptable. Fine. But you cannot constructively change that vision without understanding what it was and, most importantly, without having a coherent vision with which to replace it.
Modern Disney has no such vision. They are actively hostile to the idea of having such a vision for reasons both personal and systemic. So something that once had coherence, a “soul,” is being dismantled bit by bit, with no understanding, and additions are being made almost at random.
This is not just shouting about IPs. A focus on IPs could be part of a coherent new plan. But the IPs would need to be tools wielded in pursuit of something more. And that something more just doesn’t exist.
So yes, the soul of the parks is being destroyed and that doesn’t just mean nostalgic elements are being removed.
Maybe that vision is obsolete. Maybe it’s no longer socially acceptable. Fine. But you cannot constructively change that vision without understanding what it was and, most importantly, without having a coherent vision with which to replace it.
Modern Disney has no such vision. They are actively hostile to the idea of having such a vision for reasons both personal and systemic. So something that once had coherence, a “soul,” is being dismantled bit by bit, with no understanding, and additions are being made almost at random.
This is not just shouting about IPs. A focus on IPs could be part of a coherent new plan. But the IPs would need to be tools wielded in pursuit of something more. And that something more just doesn’t exist.
So yes, the soul of the parks is being destroyed and that doesn’t just mean nostalgic elements are being removed.
Casper Gutman
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Why would that matter?
But as others have pointed out, the Disney parks place in the cultural and historical life of the nation and the world indicates that at some level they do.
TrainsOfDisney
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the majority of people can’t imagine wanting to post daily in a theme park forum and yet here we are!
Disstevefan1
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I do not think Pirates and Mansion would ever go away but I expect them to continue to change them over time for modern sensibilities until they are no longer recognizable.
I will be very sad when the close CoP....
I also think for my family its cost that will eventually make it impossible to visit WDW.
Casper Gutman
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I find this staggering.
If you aren’t emotionally attached to theme park attractions, why are you here?
Are you emotionally attached to any works of art? Films? Music?
Raineman
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When I say "emotional attachment", I'm not referring to the same kind of attachment as someone would have with a loved one-it's more like an attachment to an attraction/land that is a favorite, that you have been on many times, that you have lots of memories of with people you care about, that is part of your WDW tradition, that would make a WDW visit feel less fun if it was gone.
Smiley/OCD
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Yes, I think we would ALL agree that would be the way to go…but, unfortunately, in 2025, the narcissism is too great, the egos too huge and the pressure by modern BoD’s with outside corporate raiders breathing down the company’s necks, the obsession and need for instant ROI to achieve profitability is too great for this scenario to happen…trust me, I would LOVE to be completely WRONG about this!
Chi84
Premium Member
That’s kind of like asking why people who no longer like WDW post here. I actually love our vacations there and hope to continue that for awhile. I find the changes interesting and think my grandkids will enjoy the new cars attraction.
I am emotionally attached to works of art, some films and definitely music. I just don’t consider theme parks to be in that category.
Purduevian
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I'm assuming you are talking just Villains or Cars+ Villains?I heard four rides too.
Coaster, E-Ticket dark ride, a flat and... Something I think a lot of people are gonna like if it pans out.
I haven't really thought about how much space there is back there... but Everest is the largest coaster I can think of ROTR is the largest dark ride, and alien is the largest flat ride... They all comfortably fit on that plot with room to spare...
Casper Gutman
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Not really. They post because they are emotionally attached.
OK, but why vacation THERE if there’s no emotional attachment? Have your family vacations not created those attachments through shared experiences and association with memories?
Do you consider theme parks to be works of art?
Gusey
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I consider Disneyland histroically and culturally significant because it was the first theme park. I also appreciate the theming to create immersive environments for the attractions. Yet, I also understand that things need to change to stay relevant, and that other parks in the past few years have been able to match Disney in terms of theming. For me, the most important factor is having fun at the parks. For me, that fun factor was non-existent with the Liberty Belle and most of TSI
Casper Gutman
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Being “first” isn’t what makes something historically and culturally relevant and it certainly isn’t what makes something art.
Animaniac93-98
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Moana would have been the more obvious choice to me, but consider how almost all the heavy hitter IPs, and current franchises and characters (as shown on @BrianLo 's chart) are already represented on property:
Frozen
Star Wars
Toy Story
Marvel (with limitations)
Avatar
Princesses
Pooh
Moana (the walkthrough at EPCOT)
Villains
TRON
Encanto
Zootopia
Nemo
What's really left besides Cars, Stitch and Incredibles? Wreck-It-Ralph? Big Hero 6? What could be shoehorned into Frontierland the easiest? They said we were getting Coco until we weren't.
I suppose Jebediah Springfield's Frontier Conquest would have been a more cromulent choice...
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Charlie The Chatbox Ghost
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By that definition, is there a Beauty and the Beast land at MK, since there's an attraction and two restaurants all next to each other?
Disney is saying that Cars are a part of Frontierland, not their own land. And honestly it should stay that way, castle parks shouldn't have single IP lands. Galaxy's Edge at Disneyland was such a bad choice for that space, it should've gone in DCA and that area of DL's river loop could've been expansions of Fantasyland or Frontierland, or something new entirely that could house multiple IPs. But I know asking for shared spaces in parks nowadays is like asking for original non-IP attractions- it's not gonna happen, but it'd be nice!
Raineman
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I've been waiting years to have Unnecessary Surgery Land at MK, or maybe Searing Gas Pain Land.
Casper Gutman
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Coco has a sequel coming and is much more critically acclaimed.
I’d also challenge the idea that Moana is meaningfully represented. Some of the IPs there are only very weakly represented.
It’s also worth noting that the guys down the road have demonstrated that you can make a lot of money by not limiting each IP to one land or attraction each.