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Universal Epic Universe (South Expansion Complex) - Now Open!

disneylandtour

Well-Known Member
A family with young children could easily spend all day in SNW and Berk alone. It is most definitely a family oriented park, just like every other park in Orlando.
Some of the attractions in Berk have height restrictions that would exclude kids aged 4 and 7 (unless they are a tall seven year old), such as Racer's Rally. SNW is better, unless the four year old is on the shorter side--then no Mario and no Mine Cart.

Here are the attractions that you can do in the park with a typical four and seven year old together:

Mine-Cart Madness
Yoshi
Two stage shows
(So Four attractions in total)

A typical seven and ten year old could go on a lot more, but (due to the average height of a seven year old) would still have trouble with:

Monsters
Drogon Racer's
Stardust Racers
(So they could go on six rides and two shows)

Despite young families with young kids filling the ads, this is simply not a family park in the same way Magic Kingdom and Animal Kingdom are family parks. Universal had a chance to go after part of Disney's demographic, and they missed this opportunity. This is not a knock on the park. It's just an observation that they're catering to their existing audience, which is focused on teens and young adults, not the audience that Disney cultivates. So many nice things in the park, but a missed opportunity, which I think is going to be a problem for Universal moving forward.
 

Jrb1979

Well-Known Member
Some of the attractions in Berk have height restrictions that would exclude kids aged 4 and 7 (unless they are a tall seven year old), such as Racer's Rally. SNW is better, unless the four year old is on the shorter side--then no Mario and no Mine Cart.

Here are the attractions that you can do in the park with a typical four and seven year old together:

Mine-Cart Madness
Yoshi
Two stage shows
(So Four attractions in total)

A typical seven and ten year old could go on a lot more, but (due to the average height of a seven year old) would still have trouble with:

Monsters
Drogon Racer's
Stardust Racers

(So they could go on six rides and two shows)

Despite young families with young kids filling the ads, this is simply not a family park in the same way Magic Kingdom and Animal Kingdom are family parks. Universal had a chance to go after part of Disney's demographic, and they missed this opportunity. This is not a knock on the park. It's just an observation that they're catering to their existing audience, which is focused on teens and young adults, not the audience that Disney cultivates. So many nice things in the park, but a missed opportunity, which I think is going to be a problem for Universal moving forward.
Other than the bolded most kids from 4 and up can ride everything. Most 4 year olds are 40" tall.

IMO the issue seems to be mainly the type of rides. While most rides ages 4 and up can ride for the most part, they are on the more thrilling side.
 

Jrb1979

Well-Known Member
Some of the attractions in Berk have height restrictions that would exclude kids aged 4 and 7 (unless they are a tall seven year old), such as Racer's Rally. SNW is better, unless the four year old is on the shorter side--then no Mario and no Mine Cart.

Here are the attractions that you can do in the park with a typical four and seven year old together:

Mine-Cart Madness
Yoshi
Two stage shows
(So Four attractions in total)

A typical seven and ten year old could go on a lot more, but (due to the average height of a seven year old) would still have trouble with:

Monsters
Drogon Racer's
Stardust Racers
(So they could go on six rides and two shows)

Despite young families with young kids filling the ads, this is simply not a family park in the same way Magic Kingdom and Animal Kingdom are family parks. Universal had a chance to go after part of Disney's demographic, and they missed this opportunity. This is not a knock on the park. It's just an observation that they're catering to their existing audience, which is focused on teens and young adults, not the audience that Disney cultivates. So many nice things in the park, but a missed opportunity, which I think is going to be a problem for Universal moving forward.
Tell me you don't take your kids to regional by not telling you don't take them to regional parks.

My kid is 5 and we've been taking her to parks like Cedar Point since she was 3. All she knows and rides is thrill rides and coasters.
 

AidenRodriguez731

Well-Known Member
Tell me you don't take your kids to regional by not telling you don't take them to regional parks.

My kid is 5 and we've been taking her to parks like Cedar Point since she was 3. All she knows and rides is thrill rides and coasters.
My local six flags has rides to balance out the big thrillers though. Plenty of smaller coasters and flat rides which imo EPIC sorely needed
 

Sir_Cliff

Well-Known Member
I saw this on the Universal Reddit thread, but I do think the Efteling hotel under construction gives some (albeit Dutchified) sense of how the Grand Helios could have been more effective as a themed, in-park hotel:

efteling.jpg
Efteling 2.jpg
 

Jrb1979

Well-Known Member
Maybe you need to stop telling people what they need to do. 😉
My point was more of a joke. My point still stands, majority of the attractions at Epic are accessible to families. IMO it goes back to for some reason many are looking for Disney level family rides and not Six Flags level family thrills
 

simon9454

New Member
I saw this on the Universal Reddit thread, but I do think the Efteling hotel under construction gives some (albeit Dutchified) sense of how the Grand Helios could have been more effective as a themed, in-park hotel:

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Far better than Fantasy Springs Hotel or Epic's helio design(I saw indoor pictures too and it's breathtaking). Wish Universal didn't made a budget cut on the hotel facade. It's the main face of Epic Universe and the first thing you see once you enter Chronos. If I'm bring truly honest, it looks rather worse than the Vegas hotel and very generic modern style. Which is not suitable for a theme park building design. The park and hotel don't feel like complementing each other, rather breaks immersion(look at Dark Universe, Isle of Buck sightline situation).

Infinity pool on the rooftop instead of pool right next to giant black show building, revolving restaurant like one in Space Needle, Original(concept art) facade design...etc. There is too much missed opportunity.

Also, it would be far better if they went with Art Nouveau architecture style so it would blend with the celestial theme and other lands smoothly.
 

disneylandtour

Well-Known Member
Other than the bolded most kids from 4 and up can ride everything. Most 4 year olds are 40" tall.

It's a range. Average can be 37 inches for a four year old. Or maybe 43 inches for a taller boy. The park is simply not arranged for family groups like this, even though Universal indicated that it would be before it opened.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
I saw this on the Universal Reddit thread, but I do think the Efteling hotel under construction gives some (albeit Dutchified) sense of how the Grand Helios could have been more effective as a themed, in-park hotel:

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It’s getting a lot of attention but I’m really not a fan of this hotel. It has some more pop in terms of color and contrast but it has a lot of the same issues as hotels like Helios or Riviera. Not quite as bad but in that same vibe of being more suburban McMansion than true traditional architecture. It’s all contemporary materials and methods so the result is very flat. They sort of do a tripartite design buts it’s very top heavy. The base gets a little bit of the language of larger stone but the large openings and very, very skinny columns (or no columns in the case of that first image!) break that image of a stone base. The pilasters read more from a distance because of the color contrast, but are also very thin and flat. Then there’s just a lot going on at the roof
 

rd805

Well-Known Member
Far better than Fantasy Springs Hotel or Epic's helio design(I saw indoor pictures too and it's breathtaking). Wish Universal didn't made a budget cut on the hotel facade. It's the main face of Epic Universe and the first thing you see once you enter Chronos. If I'm bring truly honest, it looks rather worse than the Vegas hotel and very generic modern style. Which is not suitable for a theme park building design. The park and hotel don't feel like complementing each other, rather breaks immersion(look at Dark Universe, Isle of Buck sightline situation).

Infinity pool on the rooftop instead of pool right next to giant black show building, revolving restaurant like one in Space Needle, Original(concept art) facade design...etc. There is too much missed opportunity.

Also, it would be far better if they went with Art Nouveau architecture style so it would blend with the celestial theme and other lands smoothly.

The hotel is truly gorgeous in person IMO. A lot of these design options are all good too (like image a page before) but Helios is still a great backdrop & beautiful little hotel.

The MAJOR issue with the hotel is the restaurant on the main floor / lobby area is far too large & takes up space where other hotel amenities could be offered. That entire Taverna restaurant could and should 40-50% less space than it is taking up. I overheard that it is not filling to expectations and many are not getting as many shifts . And again IMO, It's just too big of a space.

Not sure if another restaurant with differing cuisine would be a good move here (shared kitchen?), or an added teen club / some sort of hangout spot. Maybe a lounge of sorts that matches the vibe of what they wanted the Garden's portal too be.?
Or an expanded lobby area if they cut the restaurant size down from the main lobby side. The "hotel" aspect of the resort is missing extra amenities that would help give people reason for longer stay's. Tons of opportunity and here (obviously won't happen anytime soon if at all).

**The rooftop bar is wonderful.
****The Taverna, Pool area food, and Rooftop Bar are all way too expensive though; a few dollars should really be reduced on virtually all items.

Regarding the pool area itself -- trees are going to grow in, and this time next year it will have an entirely different feel. I kind of loved walking outside the pool area on our 'pool day' (and towards the bus stop at other moments) seeing the world's in the distance. The idea that more trees will be growing and possibly blocking these views in the future makes me a little "sad."

The pool was a very nice area - I do think they could have went a little "bigger" though; but it has a high end vibe IMO.

Seeing the world's or back of show/house doesn't break magic for me: I also love the behind the scenes stuff & I think most people find this cool too and a conversation starter, "OOH LOOK IT'S DARK UNIVERSE! OOOH DK COASTER!" etc. I don't think i'm alone when driving past Disney theme parks from the outside and saying --- WOOO STAR WARS LAND. When seeing rocks in the distance.

And yes - the park needs two attractions STAT: More Family based / child based, preferably indoor because the options are limited when rain (or threats of rain!) occur.

1) -If they add family dark ride for all attached to SNW ( I love the Luigi's Mansion idea),
2) -Could a small (covered) child like drop ride a las regional theme park attached to the Carousel work? I'm picturing Jumpin' Jellyfish from back in the day (IDK If it's still there) at Disney's Cali Adventure, or the Toy Story drop ride with the parachutes/army men. But with decent theming matching the Carousel
3)-Black Lagoon Dark ride -- no height requirement, but advisement that there would be some jump thrills like the Jaws'

All 3 serve immediate purposes: Continue gamifying Nintendo land with a shooter esque attraction, Child entry to thrill ride, and dark boat ride.
 

Purduevian

Well-Known Member
It's a range. Average can be 37 inches for a four year old. Or maybe 43 inches for a taller boy. The park is simply not arranged for family groups like this, even though Universal indicated that it would be before it opened.
DHS and AK really don't have much for a toddler right now either. I have a very tall 2.5 year old and AK was a half day park (even with animal trails) and DHS is totally skippable (he doesn't have a long enough attention span yet for most shows).

All of USO is currently skippable as well and only MK and EPCOT really have enough for 2 year olds.
 

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