MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[AidenRodriguez731]

It was never ever specifically stated that Splash Mountain took place in Georgia. Even if it did, it wouldn’t matter much as the land wasn’t tied together by state geography, but instead it was tied together by visual aesthetic and time period (orange rocks, woodlands, 1800s America, American folklore, etc).

TBA could have been made with respect to these principles, but they actively went in the opposite direction. Green rocks instead of orange and brown. Jazz music instead of folk/bluegrass. 20th century technology such as a 1920s automobile. If there was any rule to follow, it would be that the Frontierland attractions are set in a time period that predates the invention of the modern car.

I love this argument because its provably false even with just the original CBJ, it's explicitly meant to take place in the 1900s as the hall that it takes place in wasnt even built until 1890 and the founder of it passed away in 1928 (signified by the angels on either side of his picture)

 

[James Alucobond]

Colonial Philadelphia and New Orleans are not the “frontier.”

I think they’re just going with frontier = wilderness, and Tiana’s is the bayou, not New Orleans proper. I don’t think Liberty Square is genuinely being absorbed.

 

[doctornick]

Unless it’s going away for a Villain station? They’ve changed this project from what was planned last year.

I think a station around Villains in addition to Frontierland would make a lot of sense. That northern area of the RR gets somewhat boring.

 

[Bleed0range]

I’m happy with this, I suppose. A happy middle ground. There’s a river!

Would be cool if they redid the queue for HM given the new space.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Well, Frontierland's main thematic problem has always been it's name. A much broader term like "Americana" or "Continental USA" would have soothed a lot of issues.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

In my opinion, this new concept art looks amazing. Love the new peaks and flowing water, interested to see what this final attraction is as well? I really think they took this underutilized space and plussed it up to me.

 

[JohnD]

I'm glad that the train is operating in a limited capacity. The train can leave directly from its holding area behind the park and go directly to the Main Street station then go backwards to the Fantasyland station then forward again. It couldn't do that with the Tron work obviously. Could the length of the train have gone beyond the merge point each morning with the MK track before the engine entered the Tron work area and started going backward to the Main Street station then forward again then operated on the left side of MK during the Tron construction rather than be closed for four years?

 

[DrStarlander]

For the Liberty Belle... part of the problem with those attractions is the immense amount of upkeep the big wood thing takes.

They should salvage the the steam engine and make it into some set piece in BTMRR or the new area as a old-timers thing converted into some newer use..

I'd like to see the Liberty Belle saved and moved to Adventureland to replace the Aladdin ride, as a restaurant or exploratory play experience. With an old tropical tramp steamer vibe it doesn't need to be kept pristine...

 

[RSoxNo1]

Thanks !

I like this better than the blurry first one. I like we still have riverfront in frontier land.

Maybe, just maybe, this will be OK.

We are ,many, many years away from this, and we have no idea what "scope cuts" will happen before it opens.

I've long been a proponent of renaming the entire stretch of Liberty Square and Frontierland to Riverfront Square. The idea essentially being that our Western expansion was largely driven by waterways.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

I'd like to see the Liberty Belle saved and moved to Adventureland to replace the Aladdin ride, as a restaurant or exploratory play experience. With an old tropical tramp steamer vibe it doesn't need to be kept pristine...
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The Aladdin ride there already gives a pretty weird bottleneck, this would be even worse

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

I've long been a proponent of renaming the entire stretch of Liberty Square and Frontierland to Riverfront Square. The idea essentially being that our Western expansion was largely driven by waterways.

Honestly that would work really well with this plan too

 

[JohnD]

I'd like to see the Liberty Belle saved and moved to Adventureland to replace the Aladdin ride, as a restaurant or exploratory play experience. With an old tropical tramp steamer vibe it doesn't need to be kept pristine...
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Well, you're thinking outside the box but no. The majority preference is to clear out the area altogether. I would rather it be moored permanently at its dock which, apparently, is saved in the re-purposement of the area.

 

[James Alucobond]

I'd like to see the Liberty Belle saved and moved to Adventureland to replace the Aladdin ride, as a restaurant or exploratory play experience. With an old tropical tramp steamer vibe it doesn't need to be kept pristine...
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I don’t really understand why people are obsessed with parking the boat in a puddle. It eliminates so much of what makes it interesting and believable.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Why are people assuming plans have meaningfully changed to emphasize water? There was always a thin, inconsequential stream in the concept art if I not mistaken. They used a cartoon to make it more prominent.

 

[Coaster Lover]

Well, Frontierland's main thematic problem has always been it's name.

The missed a perfectly good opportunity for the following...

 

[James Alucobond]

Why are people assuming plans have meaningfully changed to emphasize water? There was always a thin, inconsequential stream in the concept art if I not mistaken. They used a cartoon to make it more prominent.

I agree that nothing has changed. We could deduce pretty much all of this from the original artwork. I guess people just wanted it verbalized?

 

[RSoxNo1]

Honestly that would work really well with this plan too

I'll preface this by saying that there are many singular focused IP based lands that work and that IP driven attractions themselves are not inherently bad. However, when you are taking a broad land concept and adding anything to that land, it's hard to avoid diluting the original themes. Even the best theme park in the world, Disney Sea suffers from this in some capacity.

When designing a theme park, the expansion options need to be considered and broader concepts are easier to work with.

It's why myself and many others strongly opposed a fixed timeline for Star Wars Galaxy's Edge. The stretch from Liberty Square to Frontierland also had a timeline component fused with a geographical component. That made it next to impossible to upgrade while maintaining thematic integrity.

The missed a perfectly good opportunity for the following...

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Mater made the joke at the D23 Expo.

 

[Casper Gutman]

I agree that nothing has changed. We could deduce pretty much all of this from the original artwork. I guess people just wanted it verbalized?

It would just be nice if folks weren’t such easy marks. In a lot of ways.

 

[Tha Realest]

Why are people assuming plans have meaningfully changed to emphasize water? There was always a thin, inconsequential stream in the concept art if I not mistaken. They used a cartoon to make it more prominent.

Yep. Propositions are exaggerated and way off. This looks like a map of Blizzard Beach!

 

[Raineman]

Why are people assuming plans have meaningfully changed to emphasize water? There was always a thin, inconsequential stream in the concept art if I not mistaken. They used a cartoon to make it more prominent.

It's a way of them saying to those of us that are against the change "See? You were all complaining about the river going away, and it's not. We told you there was gonna be a river and other water features in there."