Where in the World Isn't Bob Saget?

PUSH

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So sad for that bad and the 3 other sons. I have a student like that too, mom is hardly ever around and will rarely ever answer any call from the school. She is around to legally not be guilty of neglect but it is neglect. One of our paraprofessionals has a Christmas tree farm and that boy comes over and works at the farm and she says he just laps up attention from her and her husband; she wishes she could take him in and "adopt" him. I wish she could too, deep down I think he wants to do well in school and be a good kid but is just so starved for attention he seeks it in some bad ways at school.
I have a lot of parents who have just failed to teach their kids basic skills this year. I've had multiple kids who don't know how to use the bathroom independently, put on their shoes, zip up their coats, clean up after themselves, etc. And only one of them has an excuse for why he can't. The other few is just lack of parenting, and doing everything for their kids. For example, a 7 year old (a really big 7 year old at that) should not have his parents wiping for him after he goes to the bathroom. Then he gets to school and can't use the bathroom independently.

Another girl didn't know how to sit on a toilet... we let her in from recess one time to use the bathroom, and she was found in the bathroom fully undressed, sitting backwards on the toilet.

I saw a TikTok from a teacher who explained it well... "I love teaching, but I don't love being a teacher." If I could just teach, it would be the best job in the world. But I'm expected to not only teach, but control behaviors and essentially parent some kids that don't get it at home.

This is obviously not every kid, but I feel like it's becoming more and more of a problem every year. And this year my class is ridiculous, and I'm just so fed up and over it.
 

donaldtoo

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I have a lot of parents who have just failed to teach their kids basic skills this year. I've had multiple kids who don't know how to use the bathroom independently, put on their shoes, zip up their coats, clean up after themselves, etc. And only one of them has an excuse for why he can't. The other few is just lack of parenting, and doing everything for their kids. For example, a 7 year old (a really big 7 year old at that) should not have his parents wiping for him after he goes to the bathroom. Then he gets to school and can't use the bathroom independently.

Another girl didn't know how to sit on a toilet... we let her in from recess one time to use the bathroom, and she was found in the bathroom fully undressed, sitting backwards on the toilet.

I saw a TikTok from a teacher who explained it well... "I love teaching, but I don't love being a teacher." If I could just teach, it would be the best job in the world. But I'm expected to not only teach, but control behaviors and essentially parent some kids that don't get it at home.

This is obviously not every kid, but I feel like it's becoming more and more of a problem every year. And this year my class is ridiculous, and I'm just so fed up and over it.

I just don’t even know what to say about this, except that I’m flabbergasted.
 

Songbird76

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I have a lot of parents who have just failed to teach their kids basic skills this year. I've had multiple kids who don't know how to use the bathroom independently, put on their shoes, zip up their coats, clean up after themselves, etc. And only one of them has an excuse for why he can't. The other few is just lack of parenting, and doing everything for their kids. For example, a 7 year old (a really big 7 year old at that) should not have his parents wiping for him after he goes to the bathroom. Then he gets to school and can't use the bathroom independently.

Another girl didn't know how to sit on a toilet... we let her in from recess one time to use the bathroom, and she was found in the bathroom fully undressed, sitting backwards on the toilet.

I saw a TikTok from a teacher who explained it well... "I love teaching, but I don't love being a teacher." If I could just teach, it would be the best job in the world. But I'm expected to not only teach, but control behaviors and essentially parent some kids that don't get it at home.

This is obviously not every kid, but I feel like it's becoming more and more of a problem every year. And this year my class is ridiculous, and I'm just so fed up and over it.
Oh that's so sad for the 7 year old who hasn't been taught that. Does he have some sort of cognitive disorder that would limit what he could do independently? My autistic son had some issues, not with bathroom use really, but you had to give him VERY specific instructions because he would do EXACTLY what you told him to. If you told him to rinse off his plate in the sink, that's what he did, without looking to see if there was something else in the sink that he needed to take out first. We ended up with lettuce with chocolate sprinkles because he didn't get that he should take out the collander of lettuce I had draining. And he's a very intelligent kid, but he needs to be told exactly what you want from him.

I live in a low income neighborhood here, and there are a LOT of foreign families in this neighborhood. A lot of them aren't used to the norms here with school conferences, etc. I used to walk with some kids because every time I saw them walking to school, without a parent, they were walking in the middle of the street instead of on the sidewalk. I would tell them that was dangerous and to stay on the sidewalk where they wouldn't get hit by a car. But I never ever saw a parent with them. The boy was a target for bullies, and he ended up getting in trouble all the time because these kids would pick at him until he blew up and retaliated. He wasn't a bad kid at all, but the bullies knew exactly when to act.

But kids learn what they live. I was in the parent organization when my kids were in school, and I can't even count the number of times this one woman said she didn't want her kid eating something that came from the home of a foreigner because you don't know where it's been. Every year at Christmas, each class had a pot luck dinner, and you were supposed to make something to share with the class, and preferably things that Muslims could eat (no pork). It was always cool to see what the international families brought. Baklava, dolma, Turkish pizza, etc. And for Easter, they wanted the kids to draw names and make breakfast for whomever they got. This woman complained about the possibility her kid would get breakfast from a foreign kid!! I caught her kid pointing and shouting "Turk! Turk!" at another boy (who wasn't Turkish) because he had darker skin and hair. And he and his friends also bullied A a lot in school.

The best friend's mom was always nasty to me, making snide remarks and being judgmental. They don't usually do bus transportation for activities....like, the school would send a note home saying "We're going to a theater performance on this date. Please have your child at this address at this time on said date." and you had to figure out how to get your kid there. It was always a problem for me, because I have 2 kids and one would need to be at school as usual and the other across town. But I didn't have a driver's license or car, and many parents had the same issue. So the exception was if you signed your kid up to stay for lunch that day, then they arranged for all the kids who stayed for lunch to go with teachers, so I would sign the kids up for lunch whenever there was an activity because I couldn't be in two places. This mom overheard me talking to the teacher about arranging transportation and then she loudly said to the other moms "I hate those moms who are so lazy that they can't even take their kids somewhere, and sign them up for lunch just so they can get someone else to take them." And she made comments like this all the time. Her kid was a little brat who bullied everyone else....where do you think he learned it?

I was helping with the end of the year track meet one year and got stuck leading a group with her. I was recovering from a sinus infection and bronchitis and I was still coughing and having breathing issues. One parent from each group was supposed to run with the kids on the warm up lap. She looks at me and says "You go. You need the exercise." Then she refused to "spend her day counting heads" and if one of the kids ran off, too bad. We had a girl who had JUST turned 4 in our group, and her dad was working one of the events and she kept trying to run off to her dad, and I kept having to run after her because this woman didn't even notice the little girl wasn't with us. She says "Well, if they don't want their kid to run off, they should be here helping! I'm tired of being the only parent who shows up to these things to help." I'm like....A, there are LOTS of other parents who help, B, HER dad is helping too, and she JUST started at school last week when she turned 4!! But this woman and her kid's best friend's mom were just AWFUL. The one kid threatened to kill A in first grade and when I went to the mom about it, she just laughed and says "Oh, he probably heard that on one of his video games. They are always saying 'I kill you'...it's just a joke." I feel bad for the teachers who have to deal with these "darlings" every day. It's got to be EXHAUSTING.
 

PUSH

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Oh that's so sad for the 7 year old who hasn't been taught that. Does he have some sort of cognitive disorder that would limit what he could do independently? My autistic son had some issues, not with bathroom use really, but you had to give him VERY specific instructions because he would do EXACTLY what you told him to. If you told him to rinse off his plate in the sink, that's what he did, without looking to see if there was something else in the sink that he needed to take out first. We ended up with lettuce with chocolate sprinkles because he didn't get that he should take out the collander of lettuce I had draining. And he's a very intelligent kid, but he needs to be told exactly what you want from him.

I live in a low income neighborhood here, and there are a LOT of foreign families in this neighborhood. A lot of them aren't used to the norms here with school conferences, etc. I used to walk with some kids because every time I saw them walking to school, without a parent, they were walking in the middle of the street instead of on the sidewalk. I would tell them that was dangerous and to stay on the sidewalk where they wouldn't get hit by a car. But I never ever saw a parent with them. The boy was a target for bullies, and he ended up getting in trouble all the time because these kids would pick at him until he blew up and retaliated. He wasn't a bad kid at all, but the bullies knew exactly when to act.

But kids learn what they live. I was in the parent organization when my kids were in school, and I can't even count the number of times this one woman said she didn't want her kid eating something that came from the home of a foreigner because you don't know where it's been. Every year at Christmas, each class had a pot luck dinner, and you were supposed to make something to share with the class, and preferably things that Muslims could eat (no pork). It was always cool to see what the international families brought. Baklava, dolma, Turkish pizza, etc. And for Easter, they wanted the kids to draw names and make breakfast for whomever they got. This woman complained about the possibility her kid would get breakfast from a foreign kid!! I caught her kid pointing and shouting "Turk! Turk!" at another boy (who wasn't Turkish) because he had darker skin and hair. And he and his friends also bullied A a lot in school.

The best friend's mom was always nasty to me, making snide remarks and being judgmental. They don't usually do bus transportation for activities....like, the school would send a note home saying "We're going to a theater performance on this date. Please have your child at this address at this time on said date." and you had to figure out how to get your kid there. It was always a problem for me, because I have 2 kids and one would need to be at school as usual and the other across town. But I didn't have a driver's license or car, and many parents had the same issue. So the exception was if you signed your kid up to stay for lunch that day, then they arranged for all the kids who stayed for lunch to go with teachers, so I would sign the kids up for lunch whenever there was an activity because I couldn't be in two places. This mom overheard me talking to the teacher about arranging transportation and then she loudly said to the other moms "I hate those moms who are so lazy that they can't even take their kids somewhere, and sign them up for lunch just so they can get someone else to take them." And she made comments like this all the time. Her kid was a little brat who bullied everyone else....where do you think he learned it?

I was helping with the end of the year track meet one year and got stuck leading a group with her. I was recovering from a sinus infection and bronchitis and I was still coughing and having breathing issues. One parent from each group was supposed to run with the kids on the warm up lap. She looks at me and says "You go. You need the exercise." Then she refused to "spend her day counting heads" and if one of the kids ran off, too bad. We had a girl who had JUST turned 4 in our group, and her dad was working one of the events and she kept trying to run off to her dad, and I kept having to run after her because this woman didn't even notice the little girl wasn't with us. She says "Well, if they don't want their kid to run off, they should be here helping! I'm tired of being the only parent who shows up to these things to help." I'm like....A, there are LOTS of other parents who help, B, HER dad is helping too, and she JUST started at school last week when she turned 4!! But this woman and her kid's best friend's mom were just AWFUL. The one kid threatened to kill A in first grade and when I went to the mom about it, she just laughed and says "Oh, he probably heard that on one of his video games. They are always saying 'I kill you'...it's just a joke." I feel bad for the teachers who have to deal with these "darlings" every day. It's got to be EXHAUSTING.
There's no reason why the boy can't do things for himself. The mom even admitted they haven't taught him. The parents are very nice, but just clueless and aren't doing him any service.
 

Songbird76

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There's no reason why the boy can't do things for himself. The mom even admitted they haven't taught him. The parents are very nice, but just clueless and aren't doing him any service.
That's sad. It makes me wonder what else they haven't taught him to do. My son never did get the hang of tying his shoes, but that's because he has issues with motor skills. He's had physical therapy several times over the years to help, but some things just don't work for him, and tying shoes is one of them. Riding a bike took AGES and his physical therapist made sure that I didn't let him ride on the main roads until he got it down. He just couldn't get the hang of stopping and starting. And he had issues steering. So I get that there are some things that a kid COULD have an issue with that most kids are able to do just fine, and as a parent, it's disheartening when your kid isn't getting something and you feel like you must be doing something wrong and it's your fault. But something as basic as going to the bathroom independently is one you should absolutely just keep plodding along with to make sure he has that skill before he goes to school. A wasn't potty trained until right before he turned 4 and started school. I had been trying for such a long time, and I was sweating it, because they aren't allowed to go to school until they are potty trained, but they are supposed to start school on their 4th birthday. It finally clicked for him just in time, thank goodness. Does your school not have any rules about that? What they have to be able to do before they start school?
 

Songbird76

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We do, but it's not followed.
I'm so sorry that you have to deal with that. Hopefully it's at least an uncommon issue. And the school year is ALMOST done....just a couple more weeks, and then hopefully you won't have to deal with it with anyone next year. How is the kid otherwise? Does he behave well and is he able to learn? I found I could look past a lot of issues for a kid who was trying their best. And once you break through that barrier, some of the kids who gave me the most problems in the beginning turned out to be some of the sweetest kids. One of my 6th graders was about the same size I was, and he was being disrespectful and got toe to toe with me, right in my face. I went to his regular classroom teacher and asked what to do, since it was my first year teaching and I was severely lacking in experience. She told me it really helps to give him some responsibility....let him pass out the books or worksheets, etc...so I tried it, and it was a complete 180. He was so sweet and when the other kids started acting up, he'd sush them and tell them to be nice, that I was trying to talk. By the end of the year, he was one of my best students. I think he just needed someone to give him a chance and some POSITIVE attention. I had a LOT of kids who were lacking in that department. So sad that parents don't invest the time in their kids.
 

PUSH

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I'm so sorry that you have to deal with that. Hopefully it's at least an uncommon issue. And the school year is ALMOST done....just a couple more weeks, and then hopefully you won't have to deal with it with anyone next year. How is the kid otherwise? Does he behave well and is he able to learn? I found I could look past a lot of issues for a kid who was trying their best. And once you break through that barrier, some of the kids who gave me the most problems in the beginning turned out to be some of the sweetest kids. One of my 6th graders was about the same size I was, and he was being disrespectful and got toe to toe with me, right in my face. I went to his regular classroom teacher and asked what to do, since it was my first year teaching and I was severely lacking in experience. She told me it really helps to give him some responsibility....let him pass out the books or worksheets, etc...so I tried it, and it was a complete 180. He was so sweet and when the other kids started acting up, he'd sush them and tell them to be nice, that I was trying to talk. By the end of the year, he was one of my best students. I think he just needed someone to give him a chance and some POSITIVE attention. I had a LOT of kids who were lacking in that department. So sad that parents don't invest the time in their kids.
He's a good kid, and they are good parents, but they need to actually teach life skills rather than do everything for him. He's not neglected or anything like that. But he's very unaware of his surroundings, can't zip up his jacket, struggles to put his shoes and socks on, etc. Again, because it's always done for him at home. But overall, he's the least of my concerns this year. I have far more significant behaviors in my class.

Next year's class is supposed to be better.
 

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