News Disney and Miral Announce New Seventh Theme Park Planned for Abu Dhabi

AidenRodriguez731

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Disney fans: "Look at Universal! They're expanding to different countries/areas like Texas and Britain! Disney is for sure done for, they don't open new parks"

Disney: *announces a new park in a new area*

Disney fans: "Why are we expanding into new parks when our current lands are not good enough?"

Disney: *announces a retheme and revitalization adding capacity to a park that needs it*

Disney fans: "Why are they replacing stuff? They have so much space!?"

Disney: *new full on expansion that does add attractions*

Disney fans: "Now this park is going to be too busy and I can't do everything in one day so I have to buy more tickets! Disney is just adding expansions that don't make sense so they can sell more!"

Disney fans in a repeated cycle of being upset because their TOTALLY AWESOME idea is not Disney's priority.
 

bjlc57

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plus.. since I don't think that this is actual Disney money being spent .. it will come up and OPEN with in a year.. and have all the newest and greatest rides..
 

Laketravis

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AidenRodriguez731

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plus.. since I don't think that this is actual Disney money being spent .. it will come up and OPEN with in a year.. and have all the newest and greatest rides..
Well yeah, some of these other companies basically JUST do this and have bottomless pockets where they can spare no expense + different labor laws. Oil money is pretty darn lucrative
 

Sir_Cliff

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Oh, I don't think it is a good idea. It reminds me of the 80's when EIsner ended the showing of classic films in theaters on a rolling basis and jumped on the stick it on video and sell the video... It made a lot of money at the moment but it cost them long term. That's what you will have with this.
I'm not sure that is a good analogy. I don't think Disney is lamenting the foregone revenue in re-releasing their classics at the cinema for the massive amounts they made in VHS and DVD sales or the customers they gained who grew up watching those movies repeatedly. Cinematic re-releases belonged to a pre-home entertainment era and it was inevitable they would die out.

Assume it works out well, who are the biggest targets of the park going to be? Lots of Europeans will likely be their target and if that happens it pulls potential visitors from WDW where they get all the money the visitors spend and instead they get whatever percent they have negotiated in this deal. I suspect if things were going well at Disney they wouldn't have done the deal. I see it as showing how desperate Iger is.
Also not sure about that. I think this is more about attracting visitors from the region than expecting people to travel from Europe to Abu Dhabi for a Disney theme park. For a start, there is already one in Europe.

This park is going to be part of an existing tourist development with two existing theme parks, a water park, hotels, shopping malls, and I'm sure other attractions. I don't love Disney licensing Disneyland out to be an addition to an existing tourism complex, but I imagine that's how the developers are seeing it and are justifying the investment as a way to bring in more visitors to the whole complex. At least my impression is that this is not going to be given the same kind of push as a stand-alone Disney resort. It's more akin to Universal Singapore on a grander scale.
 

Lilofan

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Miral who is building the new Disney theme park like Josh said, also built the $1B Warner Bros theme park in Abu Dhabi. Curious what the dress code is in the hot and steamy Sahara like weather in Abu Dhabi. It will make Orlando look like a breezy fall day.
 

Comped

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Thanks for that.

To be honest, I am still a little sceptical this market could support a Shanghai or WDW sized resort just based on how many international visitors it would need to attract to compete with the numbers those resorts bring in. Apparently Warner Bros. World on Yas Island attracted 1.8 million visitors in 2023, so maybe a Disney theme park could do reasonable multiples of that. I just struggle to see where the 10 million+ visitors would come from if you were trying for a larger resort and it makes me think a little of other international resorts that have struggled following very rosy projections about how many people would flock to a Disneyland just because it was a Disneyland. Hong Kong Disneyland, for example, reached 7.6 million at its peak despite being in the centre of a far more populous region and being virtually next-door to an airport that handles more than twice as many passengers a year than that of Abu Dhabi.

You obviously know the market much, much better than I do, so there quite probably are things I am not seeing!
Just from the GCC free movement area (citizens of Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Qatar, Oman, the UAE, and Kuwait, can work, live, and visit within the various member countries without hassle or permit, much like the EU) you've got a population bigger than the population of Spain and Portugal, most of whom have the money to be able to visit such a park. That's not including international visitors from within the wider Middle East, India, North Africa, and Europe. Or elsewhere. Right now do a lot of Americans go? No. But considering that between the two (or three, if you consider Dubai's new airport really operational yet) main airports in the UAE many American cities have direct flights to the country, it's not an impossibility. And certainly Europeans have even easier access than we do, while this will almost certainly grab the attention of every moderate to high wealth theme park fan in the world who will, or Disney hopes they will, plan a trip there unless they have ideological concerns. You add the Disney name and marketing on top of it, and there's no reason why a full-blown resort, with proper investment, couldn't have reached 10 million visitors a year. Would it have cannibalized Paris? Maybe a little, but Paris is also far more accessible to Western Europeans. This isn't a Brazil situation where heavy investment would have being a knife in the gut to a major market.

As for existing parks, most of them are size limited. Motiongate and other parks in Dubai proper have less of this as an issue, part of the reason why I truly believe Disney should have tried their hands at a more ambitious goal, but it is still important to consider. You don't see a lot of Western marketing for WB AD despite the fact that it is probably the only park in the regionbuilt with true Western theme park standards in mind. Arguably if they would have plopped that down in Orlando, it would have automatically have been a world-class park with five times as many visitors minimum as it gets now. But the UAE as a whole is still developing as a tourism destination, and most other parks are nowhere near as good. I have faith that WDI will actually make an effort here and not make it suck.

As for Hong Kong, well they have some very particular issues the UAE doesn't. For one thing, The tens of millions of people nearby have a far easier time getting to it, both in terms of physical access and paperwork, because Hong Kong requires all mainland Chinese to have extensive paperwork to visit. The UAE doesn't care. While it's not visa free for westerners yet (hopefully that does change), it is a free visa on arrival. Hong Kong gains a point here. They are legitimately visa-free, but for most people are in a terribly out of the way location to actually visit unless you're in the area. The fact that Hong Kong gets more people in through their airport, is less of a function of being able to say HKDL isn't doing well as a theme park, and more to say that they have a really good airport. And that's not even talking about the frequent closures, lack of investment for years, and general apathy in the Disney fandom for the resort, all of which have played a role in Hong Kong effectively being viewed as the red-headed stepchild of Disney resorts.

Another funny fact is that the local airport for AD has a US pre-clearance facility, the only one outside of North America. So Americans will be able to fly home as domestic passengers, saving them gigantic amounts of time compared to visiting, for example, Paris. Granted the US government has continually tried to expand the number of preclearance facilities internationally, but it has been slow going even under other administrations.Personally I hope they work towards Europe, Japan, and maybe Dubai, but who knows.

This deal makes some sense because Disney and Universal been looking at the Middle East for probably a solid 20 years as a future option, but the structure of the deal without Disney having an equity stake or full ownership, never mind the scale of the resort, leaves me scratching my head and wondering if Bob is chasing the bag rather than an investment that could pay off in 20 years with a resort that rivals Tokyo in terms of prestige and Orlando in terms of size. They could absolutely do it, they have the money, the land is cheap, and you have a line of skilled professional designers and project managers who will work on this project that have experienced working in the industry in the Middle East. Kind of crazy they don't actually, from the point of view of someone who is thinking long-term rather than short. The size constraints alone are going to wreak havoc on this investment long-term. Expanding out into the ocean will only get so far...
 

Vegas Disney Fan

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This was not on my bingo card.


A dry heat is fine when it's in the 90's... but we are talking 110... when you get into triple digits I don't care if its a dry heat or humid heat, it's still too hot to enjoy anything.

We manage to golf in 110’ heat here in Vegas but that’s about it, everything else outdoors (that’s not pool related) is pretty miserable for 2-3 months out of the year, the flip side is the other 9-10 months are pretty pleasant for outdoor activity.
 

ChrisFL

Premium Member
In general (not really related to Disney), I think the influence of a lot of "western" things to the middle east MAY help slowly ease the more extreme historic issues with diversity, etc.

In other words, the more exposure everyone gets to various cultures, the more they're willing to bend on things IMO and MAYBE we'll see less restrictions of things just due to it being more financially viable.

This isn't like building in Iran or Saudi Arabia.
 

Lilofan

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This was not on my bingo card.



For me the difference is Disney wasn’t taking overtly “political” stances in 2016 when Shanghai opened, therefore it didn’t scream hypocrisy, now it does.

Once you publicly claim a moral position you look fake when your actions don’t match your words.



We manage to golf in 110’ heat here in Vegas but that’s about it, everything else outdoors (that’s not pool related) is pretty miserable for 2-3 months out of the year, the flip side is the other 9-10 months are pretty pleasant for outdoor activity.
Last time we were in Vegas in July it was around 110 degrees and sunny. Thankfully walking on the Strip there were guys every few hundred yards selling cold drinks from a cooler - Cash Only. Whoever goes to Abu Dhabi I’d get a medical check up before going.
 

lazyboy97o

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I'm not sure that is a good analogy. I don't think Disney is lamenting the foregone revenue in re-releasing their classics at the cinema for the massive amounts they made in VHS and DVD sales or the customers they gained who grew up watching those movies repeatedly. Cinematic re-releases belonged to a pre-home entertainment era and it was inevitable they would die out.
It’s just not true. Selling VHS was a very contentious issue for Disney and they held off releasing certain movies. There was also the Vault concept that made released a limited affair.

This park is going to be part of an existing tourist development with two existing theme parks, a water park, hotels, shopping malls, and I'm sure other attractions. I don't love Disney licensing Disneyland out to be an addition to an existing tourism complex, but I imagine that's how the developers are seeing it and are justifying the investment as a way to bring in more visitors to the whole complex. At least my impression is that this is not going to be given the same kind of push as a stand-alone Disney resort. It's more akin to Universal Singapore on a grander scale.
Three parks: Ferrari World, SeaWorld and Warner Bros. World. The water park is Yas Waterworld. I can’t imagine they’d dare name a single park DisneyWorld Abu Dhabi. Right?

Yas Island is also home of the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix.
 

Ghost93

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Mixed feelings on this announcement. As a gay person, I wouldn't feel comfortable visiting there and think the Disney company shouldn't be making parks where there are significant human rights violations.

On the other hand, I do think the concept art of Elsa's ice palace being the center of the park is cool, and it's a nice way to distinguish the land from other parks around the country.
 

ConVMagic

Member
I do feel bad for the Disney LGBTQ (or LGBTQ allies) completionists, knowing there’s a park they can’t visit, or one they can’t in good conscience.

I remember being a kid and having a “bucket list” goal of visiting every Disney park. Now, as an adult, I’ve had to come to terms with the fact I physically can’t do that, due to who I am. It sucks :(
 

TXRob

Active Member
So here's my biggest question about all of this. Logistically they cannot run building and designing this this out of California, The time zones would be ridiculous. Is Lake Nona back on the menu? Emirates flies direct from MCO to AUH after all.
No they don’t. DXB.
Ethiad doesn’t fly to MCO
 

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