SPOILERS: Star Wars' ANDOR Seasons 1 & 2

lazyboy97o

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Cassian is suppose to be a really good pilot too, which is why it surprised me they decided to go with the "I can't figure out how to fly it so I have to shoot out the door" trope for him to escape with the Tie.
Isn’t “a pilot is a pilot is a pilot” the sillier trope since pilots require training on specific aircraft? The expanded universe even thought to make the T-16 and X-Wing (T-65) both Incom ships to give them some suggestion of similarity.
 

Phroobar

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Maybe in Star Wars ships are like cars. They have standard controls. That is why some farm boy that flew a t-16 sky hopper can fly a t-65 x-wing. I guess the Empire likes to mix up their TIE fighter controls. Funny in the game, the TIE Avenger's controls are similar to the standard TIE.
 

mysto

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Maybe in Star Wars ships are like cars. They have standard controls. That is why some farm boy that flew a t-16 sky hopper can fly a t-65 x-wing. I guess the Empire likes to mix up their TIE fighter controls. Funny in the game, the TIE Avenger's controls are similar to the standard TIE.
This is a reasonable idea, especially in a universe of non-humans.

In the human world there are always competing standards, imperfect adherence to standards, and a constant parade of new versions of standards that include drastic changes. After 5 years they're so bifurcated no one knows what to do. After hundreds of years the differences could be drastic.

On the other hand, sometimes one standard does win out eventually on a long enough timeline. VHS did supplant beta. But then digital came a long, DVD, Blueray, oops.
 

Disney Irish

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Isn’t “a pilot is a pilot is a pilot” the sillier trope since pilots require training on specific aircraft? The expanded universe even thought to make the T-16 and X-Wing (T-65) both Incom ships to give them some suggestion of similarity.
Why, its no different than Anakin who had no pilot training whatsoever flying an X-Wing with almost the same expert level training as a combat pilot in Ep1 at age 9. So I don't see why that is acceptable, but somehow Cassian who has had at least basic combat pilot training can't figure out Tie controls, other than for script convenience.
 

lazyboy97o

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Why, its no different than Anakin who had no pilot training whatsoever flying an X-Wing with almost the same expert level training as a combat pilot in Ep1 at age 9. So I don't see why that is acceptable, but somehow Cassian who has had at least basic combat pilot training can't figure out Tie controls, other than for script convenience.
Except Anakin doesn’t know the controls of the Naboo Starfighter. He says he is trying to figure it out and ends up in space because of the autopilot.
 

Phroobar

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Except Anakin doesn’t know the controls of the Naboo Starfighter. He says he is trying to figure it out and ends up in space because of the autopilot.
Anakin was also very smart, could figure out mechanical things, has the Force and R2 as a co-pilot. Cassian doesn't have those things.
 

Dranth

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I took the whole difficulty flying thing as they were stealing a prototype that likely was not finalized/had new tech so there would be some stuff he was not familiar with while other controls may still be being tuned.

He still managed to escape while under some pressure so it couldn't have been so difficult to figure out to the point it was completely foreign to an actual pilot.

Anyway, it is some of the best Star Wars out there and hopefully the remainder of the season just gets better.
 

Wendy Pleakley

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I took the whole difficulty flying thing as they were stealing a prototype that likely was not finalized/had new tech so there would be some stuff he was not familiar with while other controls may still be being tuned.

He still managed to escape while under some pressure so it couldn't have been so difficult to figure out to the point it was completely foreign to an actual pilot.

Anyway, it is some of the best Star Wars out there and hopefully the remainder of the season just gets better.

If we're really looking for a logical explanation, that's it.

Ultimately it's a relatively flimsy excuse to do the trope of a clumsy escape so the series can open with a bit of action, instead of him just casually flying out.

A little bit of logic gets pushed aside in service of making an entertaining TV moment. That's really all there is to it, IMO.
 

vikescaper

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I took the whole difficulty flying thing as they were stealing a prototype that likely was not finalized/had new tech so there would be some stuff he was not familiar with while other controls may still be being tuned.

He still managed to escape while under some pressure so it couldn't have been so difficult to figure out to the point it was completely foreign to an actual pilot.

Anyway, it is some of the best Star Wars out there and hopefully the remainder of the season just gets better.
This is what I thought about the TIE as Andor seemed surprised by how it handled. By the end of the third episode, he seemed to know how to fly it.
 

lazyboy97o

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A little bit of logic gets pushed aside in service of making an entertaining TV moment. That's really all there is to it, IMO.
Pilots just being able to flying anything is the logic and reality that is typically pushed aside. Military and civilian pilots are trained on specific aircraft. Not wanting to trigger retraining was a big part of why Boeing chose to keep modifying the 737 instead designing an entirely new plane.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Pilots just being able to flying anything is the logic and reality that is typically pushed aside. Military and civilian pilots are trained on specific aircraft. Not wanting to trigger retraining was a big part of why Boeing chose to keep modifying the 737 instead designing an entirely new plane.
Its a fantasy world not grounded in reality. Pilots do what the scripts tell them to do, not what a real pilot would do in the same situation.

The rules established in world is that a majority of pilots can just fly anything. Which is why its a bit strange they decided to go away from that just for this bit of action at the beginning of the season.
 

lazyboy97o

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Its a fantasy world not grounded in reality. Pilots do what the scripts tell them to do, not what a real pilot would do in the same situation.

The rules established in world is that a majority of pilots can just fly anything. Which is why its a bit strange they decided to go away from that just for this bit of action at the beginning of the season.
Except for the times they haven’t, including one of the main characters. It was also the basis for the first version of Star Tours.
 

Disney Irish

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Except for the times they haven’t, including one of the main characters. It was also the basis for the first version of Star Tours.
Which is why I said, it’s done for a script convenience to allow for more action.

I just personally think it’s a weird character to do it with given he is already established as a combat pilot.
 

Screamface

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George came up in a world of hot rods. American Graffiti. That's the approach to space ships. It's a car. The Tie Advance is like getting into a modern Electric vehicle compared to a 50s hot rod. Someone would be completely lost. Where do I put the key? Things are just off that aren't intuitive and need instruction.

On Anakin and flying the N1 in TPM. There's behind the scenes footage of George talking about how it doesn't really make sense. He could pod race and R2-D2 is doing a lot of it for Anakin.
 

flynnibus

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Finally finished the first three episodes… wow that was tough to watch.

3 episodes and we’ve basically got cassian steals a ship… rebels are hiding… and Mon turns to get drunk to avoid facing the cut throat side of an undercover rebellion.

Talk about so much dead space and useless stuff. How many millions do you think they spent dreaming up all those stupid wedding rituals?

Are we ever coming back to those buffoons marooned for unclear reasons?

How many times did we have to see the exact same interactions between mon and tay?

We even get the super hard to come up with power dude tries to rape the powerless…

I sure hope they actually had a better plot for this season before they decided to do it… because this seems pretty dang all filler at this point.
 

Indy_UK

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Just finished the first 3 episodes. Absolutely loved it. This is how you expand the Star Wars Lore without trashing the franchise like The Acolyte did.

I didn't get the point of the group fighting on Yavine but I guess it was filler. The SA part did also make me slightly uneasy but I can't wait to see more. The Cinematography looked incredible too. Mon Mothma is probably the single most important individual in the galaxy by this point and her story is so captivating.
 

mf1972

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episodes were ok. figure it’ll build up like last season. the entire wedding thing was boring the hell out of me though.
 

Heppenheimer

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If anyone follows Chris Gore, he had an interesting take. He did not like the first season of Andor. He did not like the first three episodes of season II. But he's seen the rest of the season, and reports it was some of the best Star Wars content he's watched in years, even if it has a very different feel from what we expect of Star Wars. He liked it so much that he now retrospectively enjoys season I much better now that he knew what it was leading to.

I wasn't going to watch, but now I'm intrigued.

One major complaint I had about season one, though, and I'm wondering if they fixed it. The sound balance was terrible. The only chance I get to watch stuff like this is after my kids go to sleep, but I had to turn the volume way up to understand the dialogue, then some loud noise in the show would boom through the house. Wifey would tell me "You'll wake up the kids, turn it down!" In such a dialogue heavy-show, it became really difficult to follow.
 

MisterPenguin

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If anyone follows Chris Gore, he had an interesting take. He did not like the first season of Andor. He did not like the first three episodes of season II. But he's seen the rest of the season, and reports it was some of the best Star Wars content he's watched in years, even if it has a very different feel from what we expect of Star Wars. He liked it so much that he now retrospectively enjoys season I much better now that he knew what it was leading to.

I wasn't going to watch, but now I'm intrigued.

One major complaint I had about season one, though, and I'm wondering if they fixed it. The sound balance was terrible. The only chance I get to watch stuff like this is after my kids go to sleep, but I had to turn the volume way up to understand the dialogue, then some loud noise in the show would boom through the house. Wifey would tell me "You'll wake up the kids, turn it down!" In such a dialogue heavy-show, it became really difficult to follow.
I often turn on closed captioning. Cassian has an accent and whispers. In fact, most of the furtive rebellion-related conversations are also whispery.

Also, check if your TV has a audio mode that emphasizes speech.
 

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