easyrowrdw
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Net gains, schmet gains. Ya don’t have to destroy something in order to get something new. Tron, Rat…great! But MMRR, Frozen, Tiana, Monsters, Indiana Jones… It’s ridiculous.
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MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom
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James Alucobond
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The problem has been the balance, not that replacement and/or slight net gains are necessarily wrong in every instance. Tomorrowland is an example where there are definitely enough attractions (aside from shuttered Stitch), but significant refreshing or replacement is needed for at least two-thirds of the attractions.
SamusAranX
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Agreed on the playground but the theater is a particularly egregious example of Disney’s bait and switch. Close or leave an attraction to languish and by the time is replaced it seems like it’s an expansion not a replacement (see primeval whirl for example)
TrainsOfDisney
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I never said the playground was a ride. It was an attraction.
All the parks used to have playground type areas - now only MK does I believe. Although Epcot does seasonally for some of the festivals.
The theatre was still being used at least seasonally - I saw Comedy Warehouse the same night I said goodbye to Osbourne lights.
eddie104
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I’m sorry defending Primeval Whirl is atrocious and speaks volume to the constant goal post moving on this thread.
easyrowrdw
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For sure. I don’t think replacements are wrong in every instance. Pandora seems like an example of a replacement that worked well. I think lack of updates is also a problem, but this thread is about a planned destruction and replacement so that was my focus.
SamusAranX
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How am I defending it? I never commented on its merits. I’m commenting strictly on Disneys inability or lack of desire to expand capacity truly. It’s uncommon. Stitch’s great escape was a terrible attraction and has been languishing empty. But if Disney tomorrow decided to put a new attraction in that building, it would not be expansion, but merely years over due replacement of lost capacity.
YOU are the one moving goalposts sir.
EPCOT has the Mission Space indoor playground, and the new Tropical Americas is rumored to include a play area.
eddie104
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Several posts have already been made regarding Disney record in expansion or replacing.
You choosing to ignore it has nothing to do with me. I feel what’s being lost in this discussion is quality over quantity.
Just because the previous area had some carnival games plus a little roller coaster doesn’t make it better to what they are doing now.
What was the utilization rate for these “attractions” and are they Disney standard should be the question.
Charlie The Chatbox Ghost
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Just thought of another thing potentially lost due to Cars: this view.
Assuming the concept art is roughly the track layout, Piston Peak is gonna block Cinderella Castle and Space Mountain.
Assuming the concept art is roughly the track layout, Piston Peak is gonna block Cinderella Castle and Space Mountain.
donaldtoo
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But, does it really even matter anymore…?!?!?!
Disney’s screwed up so much of their parks over recent years that it’s just redonculous…!!!!!
You mean that from a Frontierland ride, all you'll be able to see is Frontierland attractions?
donaldtoo
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Agent H
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I hope it actually ends up being to the left of the castle.
Disgruntled Walt
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Right, because everyone was complaining about the view from the top of Splash Mountain. I was always so annoyed I was seeing a castle and a spaceport while in the Deep South.
Chef idea Mickey`=
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Isn't the peak to the right nearest to Country Bear Jamboree, if so what an eyesoar!
Chef idea Mickey`=
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That view alone now that it isn't Splash Mountain screams Princess and The Frog even more. The sight of the Riverboat, the river, the castle in the distance as a gleam of hope being Tiana. Disneyland doesn't have a view with the castle like this neither does Tokyo's Splash! Standing there over the bridge with Happily Ever starting with Tiana singing, it's a starry
️ evening it's the closest Princess and the Frog true Disney you would get and Cars will DCA style this real quick!
Charlie The Chatbox Ghost
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If you care about that sorta thing, sure. But everywhere else in the park you can see the castle and sometimes even Space Mountain, and the castle itself was meant to be seen everywhere as a waypoint for navigating a park with a bizarre layout.
Does it make more thematic sense for all of a land to be self contained and no other land visible from outside it? Sure. It’s way more immersive. Does the Magic Kingdom (or any castle park) actually follow that philosophy? No, so let’s not give them credit for that. Especially not when you’d be seeing a mountain shaped like a cartoon car piston with sentient, eyeball-having cartoon cars driving around it, not something that actually makes visual sense for 1920s Louisiana. Let’s not say one unfitting view is better than the other because of an arbitrary land category (both Tiana’s and Cars push the “frontier” definition to its limits as it is).
Now if Piston Peak didn’t look like a cartoon mountain and actually looked realistic/fitting the view of Tiana’s, that’d be a different story. But it does and likely will and they absolutely did not plan on making the view from Tiana’s purely Frontierland.
Charlie The Chatbox Ghost
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Very good point! Though Space Mountain kinda throws the idea out lol. The view wasn’t intended to fit the ride 100%, it’s just a happy accident that it works so well. Didn’t even think of the river boat being visible from the top.That view alone now that it isn't Splash Mountain screams Princess and The Frog even more. The sight of the Riverboat, the river, the castle in the distance as a gleam of hope being Tiana. Disneyland doesn't have a view with the castle like this neither does Tokyo's Splash! Standing there over the bridge with Happily Ever starting with Tiana singing, it's a starry
Chef idea Mickey`=
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Yeah but let's say Splash Mountain opened with Magic Kingdom in 1971, maybe they'd build Space Mountain more to the side and worked imagineering ways to hide it best they can although then wouldn't the castle count as nothing to do with Splash. Also didn't Space Mountain also not open with the park in 1971?