Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Those are good reasons why the streaming model is so flawed

Eliminating the VHS/DVD/BluRay market had to seriously hurt Hollywoods bottom line, I complain about the rising cost of D+ but I still spend less a year for D+ then I used to spend buying videos.

I had a large VHS collection, that was then replaced with a larger DVD collection, which was again replaced with an even larger BluRay collection… that all ended probably 5 years ago, I wonder if the revenue from all the D+ subscriptions even matches the lost video sales revenue, spending billions on content for D+ vs spending a couple dollars for each DVD and packaging has to sting.

 

[Farerb]

Eliminating the VHS/DVD/BluRay market had to seriously hurt Hollywoods bottom line, I complain about the rising cost of D+ but I still spend less a year for D+ then I used to spend buying videos.

I had a large VHS collection, that was then replaced with a larger DVD collection, which was again replaced with an even larger BluRay collection… that all ended probably 5 years ago, I wonder if the revenue from all the D+ subscriptions even matches the lost video sales revenue, spending billions on content for D+ vs spending a couple dollars for each DVD and packaging has to sting.

They're releasing Lilo and Stitch on 4K soon.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

They're releasing Lilo and Stitch on 4K soon.

I bet that market is tiny compared to the old DVD market though, I had a theater in my loft with a 120” screen and a 4K projector and don’t even own a 4K bluray player, by the time 4K players came out streaming was already the easier way to watch 4K, without the cost of replacing my collection for the 4th time, I just stream everything now.

 

[Farerb]

I bet that market is tiny compared to the old DVD market though, I had a theater in my loft with a 120” screen and a 4K projector and don’t even own a 4K bluray player, by the time 4K players came out streaming was already the easier way to watch 4K, without the cost of replacing my collection for the 4th time, I just stream everything now.

I don't buy everything on 4K, I stopped getting new movies. Last Disney film I bought was Frozen II and last Pixar film was Luca, but I still want the hand drawn classics.

 

[Prince-1]

Why does it upset you that some people have legitimate criticism about her behavior?

It's not that you can't criticize her, that's fine, it's the quantity and the type of things you are saying. Good news is that there are others online who are seemingly triggered from this actress. But this is a free country (for now) so you go ahead and continue to post about a 23 year old actress.

 

[Prince-1]

Would you ask for no accountability if paramount released this movie?

(That’s rhetorical)

Sorry, but I don't care enough about any movie, no matter what studio it comes from, to continually post nonsense especially about a 23 year old actress. But I guess some people are more passionate about the entertainment industry than I am.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Eliminating the VHS/DVD/BluRay market had to seriously hurt Hollywoods bottom line, I complain about the rising cost of D+ but I still spend less a year for D+ then I used to spend buying videos.

I had a large VHS collection, that was then replaced with a larger DVD collection, which was again replaced with an even larger BluRay collection… that all ended probably 5 years ago, I wonder if the revenue from all the D+ subscriptions even matches the lost video sales revenue, spending billions on content for D+ vs spending a couple dollars for each DVD and packaging has to sting.

That’s a great reason too…

But what I was thinking was that less theater time diminishes buzz and hurts the merchandising market as much as anything. People like to shop…and the more ads, posters and marquees…the better.

Buried on one of 10 streaming platforms with weird collection of mismatched rights?

Doesn’t seem to buzz as Loud

 

[Farerb]

Sorry, but I don't care enough about any movie, no matter what studio it comes from, to continually post nonsense especially about a 23 year old actress. But I guess some people are more passionate about the entertainment industry than I am.

Then why are you even here?

 

[Baloo124]

It's not that you can't criticize her, that's fine, it's the quantity and the type of things you are saying.

He knows from experience in this discussion, those types of posts receive the most likes and reaction / comments. The attention he gets (positive or negative) from those posts is like a reward for a dog... it's fuel and encourages more of the same behavior.

If it bothers you, use the Ignore feature. Then it won't bother you, and he can continue seeking reward from those willingly handing it out.

Indifference trains these types of dogs better than scolding, because scolding is still attention.
Attention = their reward.
More rewards = more of the same type of posts.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Then why are you even here?

To get some “D”…it’s all about the D

No matter what the topic. Perfection in a 5’ boss and 12 shills on a board

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Except the problem with that thought is that you assume that each side has the same priorities, which can't be assumed.

To me this indicates more that both sides (studios and theater owners) need to come to a better understanding of release schedules and theatrical windows rather than a particular model being flawed. Because you could say the same thing about the video/dvd post-theatrical model if the same theatrical window was kept, ie less than 70 days.

I know all sides are out for straight up profit with as small an investment as possible. And some really need it like pronto.

I’m not saying the old ways should have lasted…that’s not even reasonable considering technology and generation shift.

But the studios have been lost on this…it’s not just that they want the SAME (adjusted) as they used to make…they have promised MORE. And that’s a hard check to cash when you’re in a 24/7 real time world where there are no secrets.

 

[Prince-1]

Then why are you even here?

Did this even make sense to you when you posted it or you just felt like you had to respond in some way??

But since you took the time to write something I will say that I love going to the movies but I do not get worked up about what an actor or actress says whether it is stupid or not. Now, I may make a comment about said comment but then I move on since I do not have a financial stake in how a movie does. But you obviously are much more passionate about movies so rage on.

 

[TalkingHead]

begging studios to keep them out longer rather than ship to streaming after 45 days.

Otherwise you're having vacant theaters most of the year with only blockbusters being released during the prime summer and winter holiday seasons as @brideck mentioned. Leading to theaters basically going out of business in many markets.

Short theatrical windows aren’t preventing people from going to see non-tentpole product. They simply have moved on to series, games, social media, etc.

And my guess is the U.S. will lose hundreds more screens in the next few years. Simply not enough demand year-round and it’s too cost prohibitive for studios to make $200M tentpoles that may or may not flop.

 

[TalkingHead]

To me this indicates more that both sides (studios and theater owners) need to come to a better understanding of release schedules and theatrical windows rather than a particular model being flawed. Because you could say the same thing about the video/dvd post-theatrical model if the same theatrical window was kept, ie less than 70 days.

Sorry to double post but do you think Mickey 17 staying exclusive in theaters for another two months would make more or less than $10M more?

 

[Disney Irish]

I know all sides are out for straight up profit with as small an investment as possible. And some really need it like pronto.

I’m not saying the old ways should have lasted…that’s not even reasonable considering technology and generation shift.

But the studios have been lost on this…it’s not just that they want the SAME (adjusted) as they used to make…they have promised MORE. And that’s a hard check to cash when you’re in a 24/7 real time world where there are no secrets.

RIP, Iceman…by the way

Difference here is streaming is not just a replacement for video/dvd, its a long term replacement for the entire post theatrical market.

Also I don't recall any studio actually promising that streaming was going to make "more" profit than what they previously made from linear + video/dvd sales.

And yes Val is a great loss. He'll always be Nick Rivers and Chris Knight to me, as Top Secret and Real Genius were his first roles where I saw him.

 

[Prince-1]

To get some “D”…it’s all about the D

No matter what the topic. Perfection in a 5’ boss and 12 shills on a board

Hey you didn't even add one of your famous, yet slightly over used, emojis to this post. See, there is hope for you yet.

 

[Chi84]

Indifference trains these types of dogs
Attention = their reward.
More rewards = more of the same type of posts.

That has long been my position with respect to the dogs on this thread.

Use the ignore button.

 

[TalkingHead]

Eliminating the VHS/DVD/BluRay market had to seriously hurt Hollywoods bottom line, I complain about the rising cost of D+ but I still spend less a year for D+ then I used to spend buying videos.

I had a large VHS collection, that was then replaced with a larger DVD collection, which was again replaced with an even larger BluRay collection… that all ended probably 5 years ago, I wonder if the revenue from all the D+ subscriptions even matches the lost video sales revenue, spending billions on content for D+ vs spending a couple dollars for each DVD and packaging has to sting.

They completely blew up the lucrative Disney Vault model so that Iger could have a castle measuring contest with Netflix and the rest is history.

 

[Tha Realest]

Difference here is streaming is not just a replacement for video/dvd, its a long term replacement for the entire post theatrical market.

Also I don't recall any studio actually promising that streaming was going to make "more" profit than what they previously made from linear + video/dvd sales.

And yes Val is a great loss. He'll always be Nick Rivers and Chris Knight to me, as Top Secret and Real Genius were his first roles where I saw him.

This is a rare occasion where I agree with everything you wrote here.

One of the great tragedies of the 1990’s was Hollywood’s insistence on making Val Kilmer a conventional action hero, when he was one of the greatest comedic actors of our time (that just happened to have action hero / matinee looks). Top Secret! and Real Genius are masterworks, and he should have been nominated for Doc Holliday.

Instead we got The Saint (which I like!) and Batman Forever.

 

[Agent H]

They completely blew up the lucrative Disney Vault model so that Iger could have a castle measuring contest with Netflix and the rest is history.

But what to do when everyone else is launching their own streaming service and the majority of people stop buying dvds?