DHS Monster Inc Land Coming to Disney's Hollywood Studios

[Rosso11]

What if Universal's Marvel rights are not for sale? Seems likely.

What if Disney is uninterested unless they can buy the entire franchise? The franchise is somewhat fragmented it seems to me? Probably cost 100 billion buying rights from so many sellers.

There's nothing wrong with fantasizing.

Not really sure what you mean by fragmented. Disney does own marvel 100%. As far as theme parks rights yes in Florida Universal owns the rights to most of the major characters. However it’s only Disney and Universal who split these rights. If Disney was to buy them from Universal they would own them 100% world wide. If you are talking movie rights it’s pretty much just Spiderman that isn’t under Disney’s umbrella as of now. But Disney and Sony have a pretty good relationship when it comes to Spiderman. As far as merchandising rights, which many people would argue is the most important, Disney owns it all.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

This announcement is seen for me as the best possible option if they have to close Muppet*Vision they will live on in a massive E-Ticket and Monstropolis can be a bigger land because of it. Would I of liked if they used Animation Courtyard yes, but at best that would have only bought the show a few more years. The Rock "n" Roller Coaster idea might of never happened as well.

appreciate your post and largely aligns with my view - in some ways we were lucky MV3D lasted as long as it did and at least there will still be a Muppet presence in the parks.

So I would say, this is the best *realistic* possible option - but also a little dependent on what happens to MV3D long term. It's great to say they are looking for ways to preserve it, but is it just putting it on D+ or moving it somewhere else. If it eventually winds up in the Magic Eye theater or next to RNRC after a few years when the Villains show leaves once Villains land is open then I think this is really the best realistic outcome

 

[Surferboy567]

appreciate your post and largely aligns with my view - in some ways we were lucky MV3D lasted as long as it did and at least there will still be a Muppet presence in the parks.

So I would say, this is the best *realistic* possible option - but also a little dependent on what happens to MV3D long term. It's great to say they are looking for ways to preserve it, but is it just putting it on D+ or moving it somewhere else. If it eventually winds up in the Magic Eye theater or next to RNRC after a few years when the Villains show leaves once Villains land is open then I think this is really the best realistic outcome

Even if they were to dump Muppet*Vision on Disney Plus, this is still the best possible outcome. Since because of the fear of backlash it motivated them to put Muppets in a place that seems safe for years to come. I’m not advocating they just dump Muppet*Vision on Disney Plus this is probably the best option since it ensures the Muppets live on.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Not really sure what you mean by fragmented. Disney does own marvel 100%. As far as theme parks rights yes in Florida Universal owns the rights to most of the major characters. However it’s only Disney and Universal who split these rights. If Disney was to buy them from Universal they would own them 100% world wide. If you are talking movie rights it’s pretty much just Spiderman that isn’t under Disney’s umbrella as of now. But Disney and Sony have a pretty good relationship when it comes to Spiderman. As far as merchandising rights, which many people would argue is the most important, Disney owns it all.

Universal is not the only Marvel theme park licensee. IMG Worlds of Adventure in Dubai also has Marvel attractions (the park is the successor to the Marvel park that was to be part of Dubailand). Merlin Entertainment also has a license in the United Kingdom with Madame Tussauds London featuring Marvel characters and a 4D attraction.

Sony only has a license to make Spider-Man movies. They have no other control over the character.

 

[DonniePeverley]

That's more to do with Epic Universe. Many are waiting for it to open before visiting Universal. I do know that when Velocicoaster opened Islands had an attendance boost.

It's had little effect.

Yes Universe attendence fall may well have to do with Epic Universe opening soon, but are you telling if they had opened up a Harry Potter style land that attendance would have fallen? No chance.

Roller coasters are cheap attractions, that only attractions a loud small voice.

 

[UNCgolf]

Genuine question: under what metric is Avengers Campus not a success beyond “Disney forums and enthusiast blogs don’t like it”?

I don’t like Avengers Campus and WEB Slingers blows. But DCA’s attendance is stronger and stronger and WEB Slingers, is, somehow, very popular.

I didn't say it was a failure, but I don't think there's much evidence that it has had a major impact on DCA or been the huge success Disney would have hoped for.

It certainly hasn't been so successful that it would be worth spending $1 billion to clone it in Orlando (in terms of spending hundreds of millions to buy the rights back as suggested).

They'd be much better off building individual attractions (like Cosmic Rewind) than wasting space on a generic Marvel land that's almost guaranteed to be bland/uninteresting (there are Marvel locations that wouldn't be bland, but they'd generally be limited to a smaller subset of characters).

 

[Nickm2022]

I'm just gonna say it, I'm happy with this. Monsters will get built quicker and will expand an area. Muppets gets their first ride and fixes the Aerosmith problem, with that area becoming a new, smaller, Muppets land (like Tangeled in MK, or SanFranSokyo in DCA), and likely means AC is probably being saved for something bigger like Marvel or Zooptopia.

 

[Casper Gutman]

I'm just gonna say it, I'm happy with this. Monsters will get built quicker and will expand an area. Muppets gets their first ride and fixes the Aerosmith problem, with that area becoming a new, smaller, Muppets land (like Tangeled in MK, or SanFranSokyo in DCA), and likely means AC is probably being saved for something bigger like Marvel or Zooptopia.

We need to stop with this silliness that AC is being “saved.” MGM has plenty of room for expansion. There is no need to “save” space. Any further AC expansion is probably close to a decade off.

Look at Disneyland, which doesn’t remove attractions for expansion with anything like the frequency of WDW. Disney World keeps killing attractions because management actively wants to. Stop making up fantasy scenarios to avoid that fact.

 

[Brer Oswald]

We need to stop with this silliness that AC is being “saved.” MGM has plenty of room for expansion. There is no need to “save” space. Any further AC expansion is probably close to a decade off.

Look at Disneyland, which doesn’t remove attractions for expansion with anything like the frequency of WDW. Disney World keeps killing attractions because management actively wants to. Stop making up fantasy scenarios to avoid that fact.

Exactly. It's all about operations costs and reusing assets. If they were to take the Launchbay/Animation Courtyard section, they would have to demolish the existing buildings, including the old animation building that they use for office space. So not only would they have to build new buildings for Monstropolis, but they would also have to build a new large office building somewhere else. This would actually be a great decision for the longterm health of the park and the resort, but Disney doesn't think or care about the long-term. It's all about the short-term gains for them now. That's what happens when you have a rotten corporate culture that idealizes fast turnover.

 

[The Leader of the Club]

Exactly. It's all about operations costs and reusing assets. If they were to take the Launchbay/Animation Courtyard section, they would have to demolish the existing buildings, including the old animation building that they use for office space. So not only would they have to build new buildings for Monstropolis, but they would also have to build a new large office building somewhere else. This would actually be a great decision for the longterm health of the park and the resort, but Disney doesn't think or care about the long-term. It's all about the short-term gains for them now. That's what happens when you have a rotten corporate culture that idealizes fast turnover.

I think the main issue with this is how long it would take to build. You’d have to wait until the new office space is constructed to demo the existing space. That adds an extra time cost that they aren’t looking for with this project.

If TDO was smart, they’d already be building new office space on property so that when that’s done they can go ahead and demo the animation building. Even if they don’t have an idea for that space yet, it opens up a great expansion plot.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Exactly. It's all about operations costs and reusing assets. If they were to take the Launchbay/Animation Courtyard section, they would have to demolish the existing buildings, including the old animation building that they use for office space. So not only would they have to build new buildings for Monstropolis, but they would also have to build a new large office building somewhere else. This would actually be a great decision for the longterm health of the park and the resort, but Disney doesn't think or care about the long-term. It's all about the short-term gains for them now. That's what happens when you have a rotten corporate culture that idealizes fast turnover.

They’ll be building over the Animation building soon anyway. MI going into Muppet Courtyard is more because it fits there and that corner of the park isn’t profitable enough.

 

[GoofGoof]

Is it possible the Monsters theater show is another 3D movie/experience, like MV3D? Not sure if that’ been discussed in the thread yet…didn’t see it trying to catch up

That has been my assumption all along. The theater does not need to change much and they swap out Muppets props and characters that were physical sets with some stuff from Monsters. This was from the official announcement:

That’s right, humans will be able to enter the world of Monsters, Inc. when it is added to the south side of Disney’s Hollywood Studios. Building off the exciting announcements from last summer’s D23: The Ultimate Disney Fan Event, the new land will include the coaster we’ve all dreamed of – a suspended ride recreating the door vault scene – plus dining and shopping and a whole new theater show.

So I think maybe some were speculating it would be something different since they called it a theater show instead of calling it a 3D movie but the official WDW website calls MuppetVision a Stage Show. My gut feeling is that the new theater show is similar to MuppetVision as a continuous running 3D movie.

 

[Fox&Hound]

They’ll be building over the Animation building soon anyway. MI going into Muppet Courtyard is more because it fits there and that corner of the park isn’t profitable enough.

How soon?

 

[Blobbles]

How soon?

“When will ‘Then’ be ‘Now’?”

 

[Casper Gutman]

They’ll be building over the Animation building soon anyway. MI going into Muppet Courtyard is more because it fits there and that corner of the park isn’t profitable enough.

They won’t be building over the Animation Courtyard “soon.” And AC isn’t profitable either.

Look, this Muppets decision is what it is. People need to stop contorting themselves to avoid seeing the true nature of the decision and decision maker. That’s good advice in general right now, actually.

 

[Casper Gutman]

I think the main issue with this is how long it would take to build. You’d have to wait until the new office space is constructed to demo the existing space. That adds an extra time cost that they aren’t looking for with this project.

If TDO was smart, they’d already be building new office space on property so that when that’s done they can go ahead and demo the animation building. Even if they don’t have an idea for that space yet, it opens up a great expansion plot.

If Disney wanted to, they could build a new office, relocate everyone, demo the existing space, and build Monsters Land in AC in well under the time it’s going to take to build the ACTUAL Monsters Land. Time is not the issue. Disney is slow because it WANTS to be slow.

 

[Casper Gutman]

That has been my assumption all along. The theater does not need to change much and they swap out Muppets props and characters that were physical sets with some stuff from Monsters. This was from the official announcement:

That’s right, humans will be able to enter the world of Monsters, Inc. when it is added to the south side of Disney’s Hollywood Studios. Building off the exciting announcements from last summer’s D23: The Ultimate Disney Fan Event, the new land will include the coaster we’ve all dreamed of – a suspended ride recreating the door vault scene – plus dining and shopping and a whole new theater show.

So I think maybe some were speculating it would be something different since they called it a theater show instead of calling it a 3D movie but the official WDW website calls MuppetVision a Stage Show. My gut feeling is that the new theater show is similar to MuppetVision as a continuous running 3D movie.

Theme parks are actively moving away from 3D right now. Universal is converting 3D rides to 2D. Stationary 3D movies are considered utterly passé. Disney hasn’t built one in two decades. Do we really think they’re going to build two at the same time?

I’d be very surprised if Disney has anything more than the vaguest notion of what is going in that theater. Nothing was mentioned at D23. This was empty PR copy to cover the fact that they are killing the Muppets but leaving the theater.

 

[flyerjab]

This update to this part of the park was needed. God bless the folks that can see the Muppets show 100 times and not get bored. We were pretty much done with that part of the park. And we haven’t eaten in Mama Melrose’s in a decade or more. Same with Rizzo’s. This part of the park needed to change. And they are still preserving Muppets in an E-ticket attraction space. I can’t wait for this to happen.

 

[GoofGoof]

Theme parks are actively moving away from 3D right now. Universal is converting 3D rides to 2D. Stationary 3D movies are considered utterly passé. Disney hasn’t built one in two decades. Do we really think they’re going to build two at the same time?

I’d be very surprised if Disney has anything more than the vaguest notion of what is going in that theater. Nothing was mentioned at D23. This was empty PR copy to cover the fact that they are killing the Muppets but leaving the theater.

Both 3D movies would be replacing existing 3D movies. I agree they probably wouldn’t build a whole new building and theater for a new 3D movie but they don’t have to here. The theater is already there. It’s cheap and easy to replace MV3D with a Monsters movie and I think we probably both agree that cheap and easy would appeal to Disney.

 

[Gusey]

We need to stop with this silliness that AC is being “saved.” MGM has plenty of room for expansion. There is no need to “save” space. Any further AC expansion is probably close to a decade off.

Look at Disneyland, which doesn’t remove attractions for expansion with anything like the frequency of WDW. Disney World keeps killing attractions because management actively wants to. Stop making up fantasy scenarios to avoid that fact.

There isn't a ton of room left now. Only the section in yellow and blue are easily accessible in the park, and the red section would only be accessible by going over a service road. Also, when people are mentioning a AC expansion, it is rumored to be a separate to Monsters, an unannounced project. You may be riught that it will not open until about 10 years time but that will undeniably be the next major expansion plot for the park