TiggerDad
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Zootopia at Animal Kingdom?
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2351metalcloud
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It seems like there are some similarities to what supposedly were ideas for Night Kingdom and some of the concept art for Zootopia.
www.geeksofdoom.com/2015/12/02/zootopia-animal-metropolis-modern-world/zootopia-7
www.mrskathyking.com/welcome-to-the-world-of-zootopia/
www.cinemablend.com/new/Three-Amazing-Zootopia-Locations-Didn-t-Make-It-Movie-107157.html
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This isn't necessarily related to Night Kingdom unless Zootopia is supposed to be like the night version of Animal Kingdom, but this is something I found interesting:
At least four of the areas of Zootopia are similar in layout to the layout of the main area of Animal Kingdom. Dinoland USA is like Sahara Square, the Expedition Everest area is like Tundratown, the part of Discovery River between Dinoland USA and Everest is like the wall between Sahara Square and Tundratown, Maharajah Jungle Trek and Kali River Rapids is like Rainforest District, Discovery Island and maybe part of Africa is like Savanna Central, the large body of water of Discovery River is like where 'Downtown' is located comparatively, and there is a seemingly unnamed area between Tundratown and Rainforest District that there doesn't seem to be an equivalent to in AK.
https://i.redd.it/8dc1viw6ke6x.jpg
http://www.wdwmagic.com/other/maps/gallery/02jun2016-may-2016-walt-disney-world-park-maps/28084.htm
I would imagine they don't plan to retheme all of Animal Kingdom. Possibly the similarity is due to Disney wanting to increase the ability of something from the movie to in one of those areas in AK, the artists doing it as a nod to AK, the artists couldn't think of how to design the area so just went with AK, or much less likely Disney is considering copying AK's general design for building a park outside WDW that at least has a huge area themed completely to be like the Zootopia world possibly after making a series of movies starring a variety of anthropomorphic animals that all take place in the Zootopia world.
It seems to me that Sahara Square would be the easiest of these four areas of Zootopia to construct completely even if constructing it completely involves 'warping' of the actual scale of a variety of parts of the area. This attempt to construct features of the area completely obviously isn't something that would necessarily happen even if Disney wanted to make some sort of general 'Sahara Square' area as part of a resort or as a resort itself. Sahara Square seems like it has the smallest number of buildings and the fewest number of tall buildings. Plus, many of the tall things look like rocks or trees from far away. Sahara Square also has a really big tree in it that is similar to how the Tree of Life is really large compared to the things around it.
Also, something people might find interesting is to compare this concept art map of Zootopia to this map of what was I believe was an idea at least at one time that Disney had for either real estate developments in Florida in general near where the WDW Magic Kingdom is now or for some developments in Florida to be called 'E.P.C.O.T.'. I only have some degree of familiarity with the history of Epcot's development so I'm not sure how accurate either of those descriptions are. I think it could be argued there are some vague similarities between the layouts.
(The concept art map becomes bigger if opened in a new window)
http://land.allears.net/blogs/jackspence/City of Epcot 02.jpg
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In some sense it can easily at least seem like the idea of animals building their own environment clashes with what Rohde mentioned in the Pandora video about "intrinsic and superior value of nature". Although, it could be argued that in the Animal Kingdom animals at least in some instances are implied or said to be part of nature. Additionally, the identification of various aspects of animals themselves, aspects of the behavior of animals, and aspects of the environment the animals live in as being...:
- savage,
- not savage,
- 'natural',
- the actions of animals that either do or do not seem more like humans of the real world,
- and/or things that are the result of actions of animals that either do or do not seem more like humans of the real world
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brb1006
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And was originally temporary unless I'm thinking of Camp .Minnie Mickey but it could be Dinorama
Daveeeeed
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Both are/were.
Disneyfan1981
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Before Pandora I would have objected to the thought of Zootopia in Animal Kingdom for many of the reasons posted but mainly because it didn't seem to fit and I love Zootopia. Although now with Avatar there, I don't think objecting to this really makes sense on those same platforms. Although the idea of riding the train to get there similar to Judy's arrival and then seeing so many animal characters walking about is intriguing. I wonder what DAK will actually look like in about 10 years given that it's original form continues to get shifted into smaller and smaller portions.
No Name
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No, let's not. Zootopia is not a movie about animals. It's a movie about humans and social issues, and simply uses animals an an analogy for humans.
Only the most shallow observer would make a comment like yours.
Again, the predator thing is an analogy for human behavior.
And no, Joe Rohde does not have that kind of authority. It could surely happen against his will, much like he had no say in the decison to build Pandora.
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peter11435
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Pandora fits the park and hits all of the themes the park is built around. It solidifies why zootopia does not belong.
Disneyfan1981
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I guess. It's just the introduction of the alien aspect, a property that isn't based on actual animals kind of opens pandora's box in my mind. Zootopia also doesn't fit but now that Pandora is up and running no matter how it's massaged into the original ideals of the park, it's still a pivot to open the door for other things to be massaged.
peter11435
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The park was always intended to include animals both real and imaginary. Pandora is less a pivot and more of a finally.
Castle Cake Apologist
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troy.
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Pandora does not feature animals in clothes. Yes the natives of the planet have clothes on. So do the native people across planet earth. That is what makes Pandora fit as mythical narrative. But the animals there and here do not wear clothing. No clothing on any animals in Animal Kingdom. Animals are animals, they do not wear clothing. No clothes. No clothes. No clothes. Zootopia does not fit in Animal Kingdom. period.
SirLink
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1)TBH I don't care ... I personally hate the 'Toonification of WDW - as you can see from years ago with my post history. However ...
2)Suits do what suits do and we ain't changing the mindset of Disney no matter what when it comes to IP. That is if the person that told me was indeed correct that it was a longterm proposal. It could be easily changed for the new fad of the day to be added instead.
3)If your job is to be creative and that is being restricted you look for new venues. That goes for TV, Film and Interactive entertainment. The same is true of themed entertainment. You don't stay around.
Please if you want to discuss this can we take this to PM
Bairstow
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There's something more fundamental there-
"Animals in clothes" is a classic cartoon concept, because Zootopia is a cartoon.
Much, if not most of Avatar is animated, but the world of the film is certainly not a "cartoon" by any reasonable reading of the word.
Otterhead
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Um
It's a park literally built around cartoons
That's what it's about
It hasn't been "toonified"
It's about "toons".
SirLink
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MGM and Epcot weren't when I went as a kid. Even MK wasn't as bad when it was back then.
Otterhead
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When MGM opened, one of their featured attractions was to watch animators work, and learn about how cartoons are made.
When Epcot opened, a cartoon baby dragon was their mascot.
The majority of the rides at the Magic Kingdom are based on animated films.
If you're complaining that Walt Disney World has too many cartoons, I think you're at the wrong theme park.
SirLink
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1)That a little different
2)That is very different. Figment is not a 'Toon
3)33 of 50 of the MK attractions when I was a kid were non-'Toon related. AL and TL were way better then than they are now.
As I said in the previous post if you want to discuss this please PM me.
peter11435
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Why are you reluctant to discuss this on a discussion board?
SirLink
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I don't want to thread to go off topic I'm v.anxious of this and Steve would probably agree this should be taken to PMs to keep the thread on topic.