s8film40
Well-Known Member
WOW! I never said I hated DVC. The question was asked why do people hate DVC, all I did was try to give the best answer I saw. If any of you really truly believe that DVC and WDW are completely separate companies and have no effect on each other than you truly are blind to reality. Good or bad they completely are interdependent on each other.
Again I'm not against DVC, and it takes a lot more than DVC to bring the parks down to their current level. I think it may contribute to the peace of mind that allows the executives to run WDW the way they do.
In case you didn't notice DVC requires a great deal of staffing. In park kiosks, DVC sales, call center, front desk, housekeeping, etc. I'm not saying this is such a horrible thing but the reality is when things get tight there not going to have less rooms available due to short staffing, they'll find something to cut somewhere else. Now I also think it's really stupid for Disney not to operate something because of short staffing, that's the point where you raise pay if needed to get the people you need to run your operation. I'm not defending Disney on this point just discussing how Disney operates and the effect it DOES have on the parks.
If you trade your points, what happens to them? Does not someone else who traded non DVC points end up visiting WDW? I know I have seen many people who were not DVC members saying they used their timeshare points.
And your previous post basically pinned this solely on DVC. I'm not going to go back and forth on this anymore, since I feel that when you dislike something to this level there really isn't a way for me to justify my point without it coming back at me. DVC is really a choice that works for some and not for others. Those with a mindset similar to you, continue to ask for proof that DVC doesn't affect park projects, yet you cannot justify your point in any way either. I think from a business standpoint I have tried to show that DVC sustains it's projects without having to reach into any other segments pockets, but that never really seems like it is enough for someone who is adamently against DVC.
Again I'm not against DVC, and it takes a lot more than DVC to bring the parks down to their current level. I think it may contribute to the peace of mind that allows the executives to run WDW the way they do.
Like when I started this discussion, I said that there are alot of people who just hate DVC. s8film40 shows what I mean. How can someone blame staff shortages anywhere on DVC?
In case you didn't notice DVC requires a great deal of staffing. In park kiosks, DVC sales, call center, front desk, housekeeping, etc. I'm not saying this is such a horrible thing but the reality is when things get tight there not going to have less rooms available due to short staffing, they'll find something to cut somewhere else. Now I also think it's really stupid for Disney not to operate something because of short staffing, that's the point where you raise pay if needed to get the people you need to run your operation. I'm not defending Disney on this point just discussing how Disney operates and the effect it DOES have on the parks.
There's no questioning the value of DVC sales itself. But selling points does nothing to guarantee revenues for the parks. As a DVC owners, I am under no obligation to purchase t-shirts, dine in their restaurants or even enter the parks. In fact, I could choose to use the points for a non-park destination, Disney cruise or even trade out entirely through RCI.
But that doesn't change the fact that DVC members are less than 10% of all guests entering the parks on a given day. In a time where even "flat" park attendance is viewed as an embarrassment, there is absolutely no reason to think that Disney is ignoring 90% percent of their park guests simply because 10% are all but guaranteed to show up.
Just a comment on that...somewhere over that span DVC changed the manner in which they were reporting their figures. No specifics have been given but the thinking is that the 70,000 figure represented the number of Master Contracts in existence. In other words, if my wife and I are both listed on a deed, we would only count as 1 among the 70k.
The 300,000 most likely counts all deeded owners separately. In that number, my wife and I would count as two.
DVC did experience impressive growth over that 4 year span, but the number of members didn't quadruple. They simply altered the manner in which they hyped the size of membership.
Today the number of Master Contracts is around 150,000, so the program did roughly double in size over the last 7-8 years.
If you trade your points, what happens to them? Does not someone else who traded non DVC points end up visiting WDW? I know I have seen many people who were not DVC members saying they used their timeshare points.