Tipping

betty rose

Well-Known Member
well I have been a BUS DRIVER.. and hauled a ton o luggage.. and cleaned puke, and leftovers.. because once you are on the bus .... you can just leave your mess for someone else to clean up.. and its an attitude that a whole ton of people share.. I have been treated greatly, respectfully and as RUDELY AS YOU COULD NEVER IMAGINE.. I can almost always tell you who tips, and who won't just by watching them.. the ONES WITH ALL THE BLING.. FORGET IT.. the hard workers , the gravel crushers.. YOU BET.. We tip the maids, the drivers, and people who GO OUT OF THEIR WAY to accommodate us.. and we don't have an extra dime in our pocket to do so.. BUT WE DO.. because GOOD SERVICE GETS REWARDED.. I always have a couple of singles in my pocket for a "CHICAGO HANDSHAKE".. you shake their hands, wish them well. .and its amazing of how people treat you later.. How you seem to be first.. or your room looks EXTRA NICE.. or there is a folded towel animal.. or what ever..
We do the same....we (my husband and I both worked in the food industry in our early years, and know how hard those jobs are...we never question a tip, except when the service is rude, or pays no attention to us. I worked for a summer at a hotel making beds, if anyone deserves the biggest of your tip money, it is those people. Believe me when I say those people have seen everything, and cleaned up stuff I won't even mention. Just my opinion.
 

jloucks

Well-Known Member
I've always wondered why a tip is figured as a percentage of the bill at a restaurant if the tip is supposed to be for good service. With that logic I would think that the service should be rewarded (or not) by a tip to the waitstaff regardless of the bill for the "meal". I've had excellent service from waitstaff at low and medium priced restaurants and horrible service from high priced ones, yet I tipped as a percentage of the price for the food. I guess I just have to turn off my logic brain when I eat out!:D

That is indeed a huge logic flaw and I suspect will be found illegal if it is not already. It all started with auto tipping with parties of 8 or more, but I have seen it for even lower numbers.

Tip sharing with non-waitstaff also seems illegal to me. It might already be, I dunno.

Tip, by very definition is totally arbitrary and voluntary. Anything else and it is not a tip.
 

Otterhead

Well-Known Member
That is indeed a huge logic flaw and I suspect will be found illegal if it is not already. It all started with auto tipping with parties of 8 or more, but I have seen it for even lower numbers.

Tip sharing with non-waitstaff also seems illegal to me. It might already be, I dunno.

Tip, by very definition is totally arbitrary and voluntary. Anything else and it is not a tip.
It's incorrect to think of tips at restaurants the same way you think about a tip for "extra good service". They're gratuities; in America, we have a very weird and awkward system of paying waitstaff, in which they are paid well below minimum wage -- they literally survive on gratuities. So while it's technically voluntary (you won't get arrested or penalized for not leaving a tip), in reality, it's absolutely expected that you leave at least 15% to 20% as a standard gratuity unless there was a serious issue with your service.

Tip sharing ("pooling") is commonplace and not at all illegal.
 

jloucks

Well-Known Member
Last trip to WDW I tipped Room Service $20 every 1st, 2nd, or 3rd day. Averaged out to $10 a day over an 8 day stay, but I only had $20's so didn't do quite that much daily. Room service was awesome (towel animal scenes everywhere) once they figured out my pattern lol. I never thought to tip the bus drivers, and never saw anyone else tip them. Correction, I did tip the lady shuttle driver to my hometown airport that loaded all our suitcases into the rack. Regular size woman, Russian woman strength! ...she might have actually been Russian.

Tipping is a very U.S. thing. ...and probably taken a bit far. It is also for service/something that is not mandatory. Like my shuttle example above. Most of the time you load your own darn suitcases. She did it for us and didn't have to. Tip time in my opinion.

However, any anti-tipping action based on principle that directly and blatantly penalizes a good server is just not cool. So while I think we go overboard with tipping, I do tip socially accepted amounts to wait staff because I am not an activist. ...with minimal fluctuation based on quality of service. You have to be nightmarishly bad to get no tip from me. In the last 20 years I think maybe 2 times I have tipped zero and a couple other times 1 or 2 bucks.
 

jloucks

Well-Known Member
It's incorrect to think of tips at restaurants the same way you think about a tip for "extra good service". They're gratuities; in America, we have a very weird and awkward system of paying waitstaff, in which they are paid well below minimum wage -- they literally survive on gratuities. So while it's technically voluntary (you won't get arrested or penalized for not leaving a tip), in reality, it's absolutely expected that you leave at least 15% to 20% as a standard gratuity unless there was a serious issue with your service.

Tip sharing ("pooling") is commonplace and not at all illegal.

How about tip sharing with non-waitstaff? ...like the boss or owner?
 

Otterhead

Well-Known Member
In the last 20 years I think maybe 2 times I have tipped zero and a couple other times 1 or 2 bucks.
Same here. One time I had a server disappear after taking our orders; we learned they'd just left and gone home. Another time a server gave us water and then vanished. When we flagged a manager down after 15 mins, the server returned and chastised us for "going over their head". No tip.

How about tip sharing with non-waitstaff? ...like the boss or owner?
Tips are commonly shared with non-waitstaff, such as cooks and front-of-house, but I definitely don't think the boss/owner should be dipping into the tip pool.
 

betty rose

Well-Known Member
Last trip to WDW I tipped Room Service $20 every 1st, 2nd, or 3rd day. Averaged out to $10 a day over an 8 day stay, but I only had $20's so didn't do quite that much daily. Room service was awesome (towel animal scenes everywhere) once they figured out my pattern lol. I never thought to tip the bus drivers, and never saw anyone else tip them. Correction, I did tip the lady shuttle driver to my hometown airport that loaded all our suitcases into the rack. Regular size woman, Russian woman strength! ...she might have actually been Russian.

Tipping is a very U.S. thing. ...and probably taken a bit far. It is also for service/something that is not mandatory. Like my shuttle example above. Most of the time you load your own darn suitcases. She did it for us and didn't have to. Tip time in my opinion.

However, any anti-tipping action based on principle that directly and blatantly penalizes a good server is just not cool. So while I think we go overboard with tipping, I do tip socially accepted amounts to wait staff because I am not an activist. ...with minimal fluctuation based on quality of service. You have to be nightmarishly bad to get no tip from me. In the last 20 years I think maybe 2 times I have tipped zero and a couple other times 1 or 2 bucks.
Like you we don't ever leave nothing, usually 18%, if service is so so, 30% or more if it is really good. Like I said I know how hard those people are working, and even a poor server gets a "standard" tip...Mousekeeping, and we have had exceptional mousekeepers, gets the lions share of our tips, we also tip the bus driver as he handles the luggage. Or anyone else that does a service for us.
 

betty rose

Well-Known Member
That is indeed a huge logic flaw and I suspect will be found illegal if it is not already. It all started with auto tipping with parties of 8 or more, but I have seen it for even lower numbers.

Tip sharing with non-waitstaff also seems illegal to me. It might already be, I dunno.

Tip, by very definition is totally arbitrary and voluntary. Anything else and it is not a tip.
We save for tips as soon as we return from Disney, I get a certain budgeted amount for grocery's each week, at the end of the week, we put leftover monies in what we call a tip jar. Sometimes it's a few dollars, maybe a 10 or 20....before we go to Disney we divide it up for mousekeeping, wait staff, luggage and bus...the rest is miscellaneous ..then we figure what table service restaurants we can afford, sometime it's all quick service, or maybe a couple table service. So it makes tipping for us an ordinary thing to do.
 

mergatroid

Well-Known Member
Just out of interest I wonder why a lot of people don't feel the need to tip other minimum wage employees they encounter in everyday life? I'm not criticising tipping here but it's interesting for instance how people never seem to hand over cash to the people spinning signs advertising stuff by the roadside. In many cases it's these kids that give you the idea to go and eat at Sizzler for a few dollars at lunch but they don't appear to get rewarded. Granted they may not interact with you like a waiter or waitress would, but you probably see more of them than you do housekeeping?
 

Tom

Beta Return
How come only non-DVC resorts? I thought it was something I needed to do for any resort. Granted they only come in every 4 days and only do towels. Now that I say it outloud, they really don't do anything for a tip! And when I do tip, they leave the envelope empty. You're Mousekeeping, clean up! lol

You answered for me! They don't do any "housekeeping" services for us, so what is there to tip them for? They drop off towels. We've never stayed long enough to get the fuller cleaning.

I tip $10 per day for housekeeping.... I know a lot but I feel that is worth it and fair as long as my room is perfect every night.

That is extremely generous. In my opinion, the Mousekeepers have had to do less and less over the years. They don't change bedding until they flip a room for a new guest. If Disney's "environmentality" campaign tricks you into using your towels every day, she does't have to refresh them (we get new ones every day when staying non-DVC...and we tip accordingly). And if you're tidy OCD fools like us, the room needs no picking up - just pull the blankets up straight and replace the towels.

I'll leave a tip on our second morning, once I see how attentive the maid is. The way I look at it is, I tip for a service someone provides specifically for me. They flipped the room for John Doe, then I came in and used it for a day. If we come back the next day and all our towels are replaced, trash has actually been taken out, and other tasks performed, we begin leaving a tip for her.

I'd be curious to know how many people that tip the Mousekeeping people, also tip when they stay at a Marriott or Best Western.

I had to think about this, because I couldn't remember the last time we stayed in a non-Disney hotel for more than one night. I think it was in Vegas, for a convention. And I believe we left tips.

That is indeed a huge logic flaw and I suspect will be found illegal if it is not already. It all started with auto tipping with parties of 8 or more, but I have seen it for even lower numbers.

Tip sharing with non-waitstaff also seems illegal to me. It might already be, I dunno.

Tip, by very definition is totally arbitrary and voluntary. Anything else and it is not a tip.

I don't believe anyone being paid their agreed-upon and legally sufficient wage should get any tips collected by the underpaid personnel. And I don't believe in pooling. Why would I want to work harder to please my customers, when I know that I get my share of the pot no matter what? In't that called Socialism?
 

Dj Corona

Active Member
Well, being someone that has worked in and around the bar business since 1998, while you have to "pool" tips, you have to pay out your barbacks, food runners, and etc,.....the waitstaff depending on how drinks they get from the bar, are supposed to throw a little money towards the bartenders as well. It doesn't always happen that way, but unfortunately, that's the reality.
 

Disney Stine

Active Member
The first time my boyfriend and I went to Disney World together, I was excited for him to try out Liberty Tree Tavern. We were college aged and only did two table service meals that trip because money was tight. Still, being servers/working in the food industry, we tip well. This was THE only time I've ever had to tip below 20% and it crushed me to do so.
The moment we walked in and got seated, our waitress wouldn't come over to us and she sent another waitress to get our drink orders, which was completely fine on our standards. When she did come over, she complained she "had" to sing Happy Birthday to another table and that's why she was late to our table. Then the rest of the service was awful with a no good personality and seemingly enough just wanted us to leave. Not Disney Standards.
Same trip, we did 50's Prime Time Cafe. Our server was amazing and when we asked to take "our" picture, included herself in it! I was celebrating my college graduation and she brought out a cupcake for my celebration, then had everyone around our table congratulate me (atmosphere of the restaurant- if momma wants you to do something, you'll do it!). She asked about my studies, talked about what she's currently doing in life, and truly seemed to care. This experience was wonderful. She got a fantastic tip.
 

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