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ChrisFL

Premium Member
Universal Studios had a Hanna Barbera attraction, then it was replaced by Jimmy Neutron, and now its Despicable Me.

I don't know if it is still true, but I believe the Hanna Barbera ride actually was installed in smaller parks years ago, not Universal related.
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
One tidbit of news that will get buried here, and I am used to and OK with that, is that folks wondering why Disney is building what amounts to a second parade route adjacent to MSUSA on this 'second street bypass' are ASSuming that the entire project is simply what has been announced and not a larger project that will spread out over years and possibly change the whole front of the MK.

Is TDO still capable of such projects, Not being snarky but it seems that TDO has lost the ablity to execute a long term strategic plan successfully.
 

ParentsOf4

Well-Known Member
I know plenty of folks on Twitter, including a few quoted in this thread, who remember what the parks were like in the 70s and 80s and simply want to hold Disney to the standards it once set for itself.
Really not all that different from a lot of posters here. Same message, just from different messengers on a different medium.
I don’t mind Disney making money.

I don’t mind Disney making lots of money.

I mind Disney being stupid about how they do it.

What’s been most disappointing about Parks & Resorts (P&R) leadership of late is that, at WDW, they’ve abandoned a strategy that made them successful for decades and have let the latest trends from lean manufacturing and cost accounting dominate their thinking. In doing so, they’ve extracted details that made WDW great, the cumulative effect of which has been to cheapen the product. They’ve stripped it down to the bare essentials, letting a bunch of self-serving “surveys” justify cost-cutting decisions they’ve already made.

Meanwhile, prices have exploded like never before, all in an attempt to get gross margins back up to levels P&R consistently achieved decade after decade.

WDW leadership broke something a few years ago and no one left has any idea how to fix it.

In 1983, Disney had just opened a theme park at a cost greater than their annual revenue while simultaneously maintaining reasonable prices and an outstanding commitment to quality and service.

Despite this or perhaps even because of this, financial performance was better in 1983 than it is today, with Disney realizing a higher gross margin in its P&R segment; 19.1% in FY1983 vs. 15.8% in FY2013.

Back then, Disney had leadership that fully appreciated the theme park business and were committed to the ideas set forth by Walt Disney, not in using Walt’s name as an advertising slogan.

More recently, during what might be WDW’s peak era of financial performance, the years surrounding the 1998 opening of Disney’s Animal Kingdom when WDW expansion plateaued, P&R gross margin consistently ran around 23%.

WDW built and built and built throughout the 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s and gross margins remained impressive. Yet in recent years with stagnating theme parks and declining quality at WDW, the P&R segment has performed at financial lows.

Today, P&R has a group of “leaders” with no passion for the theme parks and no vision of what to do with them. It’s a group more worried about the sizes of their annual compensation packages than in providing customers with outstanding experiences in order to grow business and earn those compensation packages. They are more worried about keeping their cushy jobs than in driving WDW towards both public praise and financial success.

Scale up WDW’s and DL’s sixfold increase in prices since 1983 and P&R is up to $6B in annual revenue with operating income of $1.2B overwhelmingly from ticket, food, and merchandise sales from just three theme parks.

The folks running P&R now have revenue flowing in from 2 more WDW theme parks, 2 water parks, shopping districts, over a dozen timeshares, tens-of-thousands of additional hotel rooms, Hong Kong Disneyland, Disneyland Paris, and 4 cruise ships yet the best they can do is realize another $1B in operating income?

In Disney’s “horrible” year of 2002 when hotel occupancy was down to 76%, P&R gross margin was at 18.1%. Heck, it was at 16.5% as recently as 2008. P&R revenue is up 22.5% since 2008 driven overwhelmingly by higher prices while operating income is up only 17.0%.

Go back to 2008 and they had 1.0M empty hotel room nights domestically. In 2013, they had 2.2M.

They charge more for less yet still can’t achieve results from only a few years ago. They squeeze and squeeze and haven’t realized that “squeeze the customer” is not a long-term business strategy.

Those making the decisions impacting WDW today don’t understand how to make a theme park resort successful. All they know how to do is cut quality and raise prices. They pinch pennies rather than look for opportunities to realize sustainable growth. They play small ball instead of going for the big inning.

Oh, and offend J.K. Rowling so much that she took her product up the road where it was turned into the greatest theme park success story of the 21st Century.

They were handed a Golden Ticket to success and have squandered it on a rubber band.

Only those with their heads buried too far in their smart phones could have thought MagicBands represented the wave of the future. Only those clinging too tightly to their jobs would have failed to shout “Emperor’s New Clothes”.

Maybe they should examine their own corporate history and figure out what made WDW great in the first place.

Maybe, just maybe, they might realize that success was based on what was happening inside the theme parks.
 
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asianway

Well-Known Member
Wasn't Save Elroy the old UO movie/attraction back in the 90s? I remember him playing a big part.

I was thinking more #savescooby since a talking dog like that might be forced to now walk upright in pants and a silly hat.
Yep-I got a button in the gift shop that says it. Loved that ride
 

Nemo14

Well-Known Member
I don’t mind Disney making money.

I don’t mind Disney making lots of money.

I mind Disney being stupid about how they do it.

What’s been most disappointing about Parks & Resorts (P&R) leadership of late is that, at WDW, they’ve abandoned a strategy that made them successful for decades and have let the latest trends from lean manufacturing and cost accounting dominate their thinking. In doing so, they’ve extracted details that made WDW great, the cumulative effect of which has been to cheapen the product. They’ve stripped it down to the bare essentials, letting a bunch of self-serving “surveys” justify cost-cutting decisions they’ve already made.

Meanwhile, prices have exploded like never before, all in an attempt to get gross margins back up to levels P&R consistently achieved decade after decade.

WDW leadership broke something a few years ago and no one left has any idea how to fix it.

In 1983, Disney had just opened a theme park at a cost greater than their annual revenue while simultaneously maintaining reasonable prices and an outstanding commitment to quality and service.

Despite this or perhaps even because of this, financial performance was better in 1983 than it is today, with Disney realizing a higher gross margin in its P&R segment; 19.1% in FY1983 vs. 15.8% in FY2013.

Back then, Disney had leadership that fully appreciated the theme park business and were committed to the ideas set forth by Walt Disney, not in using Walt’s name as an advertising slogan.

More recently, during what might be WDW’s peak era of financial performance, the years surrounding the 1998 Disney’s Animal Kingdom opening when WDW expansion plateaued, P&R gross margin consistently ran around 23%.

WDW built and built and built throughout the 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s and gross margins remained impressive. Yet in recent years with stagnating theme parks and declining quality at WDW, the P&R segment has performed at financial lows.

Today, P&R has a group of “leaders” with no passion for the theme parks and no vision of what to do with them. It’s a group more worried about the sizes of their annual compensation packages than in providing customers with outstanding experiences in order to grow business and earn those compensation packages. They are more worried about keeping their cushy jobs than in driving WDW towards both public praise and financial success.

Scale up WDW’s and DL’s sixfold increase in prices since 1983 and P&R is up to $6B in annual revenue with operating income of $1.2B overwhelmingly from ticket, food, and merchandise sales from just three theme parks.

The folks running P&R now have revenue flowing in from 2 more WDW theme parks, 2 water parks, shopping districts, over a dozen timeshares, tens-of-thousands of additional hotel rooms, Hong Kong Disneyland, Disneyland Paris, and 4 cruise ships yet the best they can do is realize another $1B in operating income?

In Disney’s “horrible” year of 2002 when hotel occupancy was down to 76%, P&R gross margin was at 18.1%. Heck, it was at 16.5% as recently as 2008. P&R revenue is up 22.5% since 2008 driven overwhelmingly by higher prices while operating income is up only 17.0%.

Go back to 2008 and they had 1.0M empty hotel room nights domestically. In 2013, they had 2.2M.

They charge more for less yet still can’t achieve results from only a few years ago. They squeeze and squeeze and haven’t realized that “squeeze the customer” is not a long-term business strategy.

Those making the decisions impacting WDW today don’t understand how to make a theme park resort successful. All they know how to do is cut quality and raise prices. They pinch pennies rather than look for opportunities to realize sustainable growth. They play small ball instead of going for the big inning.

Oh, and offend J.K. Rowling so much that she took her product up the road where it was turned into the greatest theme park success story of the 21st Century.

They were handed a Golden Ticket to success and have squandered it on a rubber band.

Only those with their heads buried too far in their smart phones could have thought MagicBands represented the wave of the future. Only those clinging too tightly to their jobs would have failed to shout “Emperor’s New Clothes”.

Maybe they should examine their own corporate history and figure out what made WDW great in the first place.

Maybe, just maybe, they might realize that success was based on what was happening inside the theme parks.

I wish I could "like" this a million, no make that 2 billion, times!
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
I wish I could "like" this a million, no make that 2 billion, times!

Agree unfortunately the Lifestylers and fanboi's enable this by the constant drumbeat of "WDW has never been better" yes it WAS better AND made more money when Walt's ideas were the guiding principles of operation.

Which is why I despise those who say "It's a business there to make money", Under prior management P&R and TWDC as a whole gave investors a far better ROI than the crowd running the place today.
 
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WildcatDen

Well-Known Member
Although I doubt it will happen, I would be ecstatic if disney bought all the old Hanna barbera characters! I was absolutely obsessed with the Jetsons as a kid. The characters were so lovable and I always dreamed of living in a world they did. Hopefully disney would give them some new life if this would ever happen.
Those characters is what I miss most about the old King's Island days. The Enchanted Voyage was a classic dark ride through what was basically a Saturday morning Cartoon Television. Good times.
 

PhotoDave219

Well-Known Member
Also loved the Jetsons. Horizons actually reminded me as a kid of what a 'real life' Jetsons apartment would look like. :) The Jetsons and Scooby. But it does bear the question, who owns them? I know they're on Cartoon Network/Boomerang. So...are they TW owned? Would they be up for sale along with the rest of the catalog? And where does Bugs Bunny fit in if at all since I know the Looney Tunes characters are WB owned?

I would only hope if Disney does pick them up, they don't drop the ball like they did on the Muppets.

I think the biggest problem with the Muppets is that Disney had no idea what to do with them.

Anyone who was involved with the negotiations back when Jim wanted to sell them to TWDC was long gone by the time they actually did.

It's part of the problem that is currently existing in Disney's management culture. From outward appearance, any creativity seems to be long gone, replaced by people who like to cover their own , get a big paycheck, and go to a lot of meetings. Creativity and a reference are sorely lacking.

Disney is finally doing something with the Muppets… And while it is slow, I'm fine with it.

The only thing that really irritated me? The mobile Muppet labs at Epcot. Frustrates me to no end that team Disney Orlando refused to buy it and it went away. It was fantastic and a way to introduce the Muppets to kids.
 

PeterAlt

Well-Known Member
Question: why is Disney releasing SW under the WDP logo, not Touch Stone? I thought WDP was mainly used for G rated productions....
 

Snowflake82

Active Member
I guarantee you some VP is patting himself on the back for coming up with the "genius" move of making fairy tale princess movies--but then giving them random names that's don't specifically reference a princess! That might try to re-release Cinderella as "Shoe," just to see if they can move more Cindy merch among boys.

But that isn't an adjective - maybe "Barefoot" would work better! :p
 

asianway

Well-Known Member
I think the biggest problem with the Muppets is that Disney had no idea what to do with them.

Anyone who was involved with the negotiations back when Jim wanted to sell them to TWDC was long gone by the time they actually did.

It's part of the problem that is currently existing in Disney's management culture. From outward appearance, any creativity seems to be long gone, replaced by people who like to cover their own , get a big paycheck, and go to a lot of meetings. Creativity and a reference are sorely lacking.

Disney is finally doing something with the Muppets… And while it is slow, I'm fine with it.

The only thing that really irritated me? The mobile Muppet labs at Epcot. Frustrates me to no end that team Disney Orlando refused to buy it and it went away. It was fantastic and a way to introduce the Muppets to kids.
The guiding principle is they won't do a thing unless someone else pays for it. Remember that and everything becomes clear
 

NormC

Well-Known Member
why Disney is building what amounts to a second parade route adjacent to MSUSA on this 'second street bypass' are ASSuming that the entire project is simply what has been announced and not a larger project that will spread out over years and possibly change the whole front of the MK.
Been saying this myself. Build it right now so you can expand later. Do it right the first time so you don't have to do it over.
 

Soarin' Over Pgh

Well-Known Member
Those making the decisions impacting WDW today don’t understand how to make a theme park resort successful. All they know how to do is cut quality and raise prices. They pinch pennies rather than look for opportunities to realize sustainable growth. They play small ball instead of going for the big inning.

Oh, and offend J.K. Rowling so much that she took her product up the road where it was turned into the greatest theme park success story of the 21st Century.

They were handed a Golden Ticket to success and have squandered it on a rubber band.

Only those with their heads buried too far in their smart phones could have thought MagicBands represented the wave of the future. Only those clinging too tightly to their jobs would have failed to shout “Emperor’s New Clothes”.
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For those that think TL;DR. There ya go.

Po4, you once again summed it up beautifully, but the piece above packs the biggest punch. Well done.


Hasbro might be small but...Disney does have alot of toys that they give the rights out to Mattel to make. Why not try for a smaller company that has their own network, properties, and animation series that are successful and have fan bases?

Mattel is probably way too big for them and doesn''t have its own animation/tv network. Hasbro actually kind of fits.

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I hate to say it, but they would make a killing if they bought out Hasbro. Between the board games (eh, eh. But think of the possibilities!) and GI Joe... but my first thought was your avatar- My Little Pony. With how popular those characters are right now, just 'owning' Hasbro would bring in millions of dollars from that franchise alone.

That doesn't mean I want an Applejack M&G. (But a line of My Little Pony with the princess designs would be fantastic) But there are many possibilities and like you mentioned, it would be easier/cheaper for them to produce their OWN toys under their own manufacturing brand, rather than licensing out Mattel. I might have that wrong, I'm not entirely sure how toy licensing works (feel free to correct me, anyone) but I'm sure it would be a cost effective choice.

Lemme state this though- it would be no excuse to stop their OWN Disney creative. That's the very last thing I think, as fans, any one of us would want to see. Keep the creative juices flowing, give us some more hit movies. More importantly, maintain the parks we love. Add things- cool things- exciting things- ride things- to them.
 

Soarin' Over Pgh

Well-Known Member
I think the biggest problem with the Muppets is that Disney had no idea what to do with them.

Anyone who was involved with the negotiations back when Jim wanted to sell them to TWDC was long gone by the time they actually did.

It's part of the problem that is currently existing in Disney's management culture. From outward appearance, any creativity seems to be long gone, replaced by people who like to cover their own , get a big paycheck, and go to a lot of meetings. Creativity and a reference are sorely lacking.

Disney is finally doing something with the Muppets… And while it is slow, I'm fine with it.

The only thing that really irritated me? The mobile Muppet labs at Epcot. Frustrates me to no end that team Disney Orlando refused to buy it and it went away. It was fantastic and a way to introduce the Muppets to kids.


Yep. It reminds me of a cat. You're eating something, say... wonton soup. The cat wants some. You buckle and give a wonton and some broth to the cat. The cat sniffs it, walks away. Now there's a wonton and broth left sitting on the floor, untouched. Awkward.

I'm happy to see them finally doing something with the Muppets- I really wish they were incorporated better in the parks, though.

And a totally selfish comment- but I'd love. LOVE to see The Fraggles brought back to life (not cartoonized- leave them as is, just revamp!) and given a ride. Imagine a dark ride through a giant Goober construct! Or a slide down the waterfall with Red. Or just riding by as they rock out a song. Or the Pipe Bangers, jamming a tune.

(someone please bring me back to reality.)
 

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