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News Star Wars Galactic Starcruiser coming to Walt Disney World 2021
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flynnibus
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Disney has lost their way with the dogma of 'everything we do is about the story'
No, the story's importance is to be your framework, it's your skeleton to ensure what you build has consistency and focus. You create a backstory and use story so the resulting product has credibility, purpose, consistency, and continuity with itself and its surroundings. It is the tool to create consistency that leads to credibility/buy-in from the guest.
Story is not what the guest is buying or coming for. ENTERTAINMENT is what the guest is consuming. You pick the right story so it's something that ultimately will be attractive to the guest.
Disney has repeated "story" to themselves so many times they have forgotten what the end product actually us. It's not story!
No, the story's importance is to be your framework, it's your skeleton to ensure what you build has consistency and focus. You create a backstory and use story so the resulting product has credibility, purpose, consistency, and continuity with itself and its surroundings. It is the tool to create consistency that leads to credibility/buy-in from the guest.
Story is not what the guest is buying or coming for. ENTERTAINMENT is what the guest is consuming. You pick the right story so it's something that ultimately will be attractive to the guest.
Disney has repeated "story" to themselves so many times they have forgotten what the end product actually us. It's not story!
TikibirdLand
Well-Known Member
You're welcome. I wanna know why the Halycon doesn't have creatures in a hold that I can go see. Now, THAT would be the WOW of this thing.
I so want to go see the creatures. Is there an age limit?
Probably. Though since the bar is open for kids before a certain time in the evening, maybe they'll have special late-night hours for adults in the cargo bay?
Animaniac93-98
Well-Known Member
When I saw the Star Wars stuff planned for the Wish, I thought it was a paired down version of what the Starcruiser was getting, as if both projects were made concurrently using similar design features and activities.
I was not expecting the Wish to top the "real" Star Wars cruise ship in any way.
That was what I was anticipating too. Needing to wait for reviews, but this is starting to look awkward.
correcaminos
Well-Known Member
I'm only 5' tall, think I could still pass as a kid if they don't let us in?
I love porgs
MrPromey
Well-Known Member
Bluntly, it's because Disney stands to make a lot more off those cheaper rooms on the real cruise ship than they do off these crazy priced ones due to volume. It's the same reason the show(s) won't be anywhere near that scale or as impressive and why they didn't make things 50% larger, even though they certainly could have (with added construction costs) - there are only ever a maximum of about 300 people ever going to be there at a time and even at their crazy pricing, that doesn't allow for the same kind of margin as a cruise ship or a Galaxy's Edge.
Absolutely none of this should matter to the person who pony's up the $5k+ plus for this, though, and it's all a business/financial challenge of Disney's own making since they had 100% control to make this whatever, however they wanted.
That's why I don't feel Disney deserves any leeway with judgement on this. A lot of people are saying "Well what did you expect?" and for $5k+ most people people expect a lot, as well they should. If Disney can't even make the experience something comparable to their own considerably cheaper cruise ship offerings which, you know, involve actual real ships that are engineering and construction marvels that actually take people places, not for pretend, they screwed up, plain and simple.
The idea of it being in-universe sized has already been debunked and for Pete's sake, this is the same company that just built the Space restaurant in Epcot which is supposed to seem rather contemporary and near-future possible despite its open atmosphere, high ceilings, and large panoramic "windows" looking out into space which wouldn't even be practical if a space elevator did exist.
The SF Gate had an article today talking about how it's (a lot) cheaper to take a trip to France, including airfare, and visit DLP than it is to go to DL in California and stay on property as someone within driving distance:
https://www.sfgate.com/disneyland/a...-cheaper-than-Disneyland-Anaheim-16941448.php
This is just another example of how things are not right with what's happening with this company's stateside resorts, at all.
EDITED for clairity due to TP2000's observation on my tank-of-gas comment.
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Animaniac93-98
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My trip to DLP in 2017 was cheaper than a comparable package at WDW, even with the higher cost of airfare.
DLP prices have gone up quite a bit since then, but I would not be surprised if that were still the case.
AEfx
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Seems to be working on this end, but here is a copy of the page directly in case it's not working for folks (the pic is near the top of the article):
Luxury Liner (Wookieepedia)
Cesar R M
Well-Known Member
They have small shows and atrium music. Mostly 4-5 singers and musicians. Def not full blown broadway shows.
Cesar R M
Well-Known Member
Wish's offerings def looks waaaaaaay better.
The Star Wars lounge and Cargo with its animatronics are giving me Hogwarts's stores (the ones with many things to see and do near Ollivander's )
Anyone noticed that also in this video.. the imagineers arent patting themselves in the back like self absorbed aholes or using buzzwords left and right?
LSLS
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You are talking a hotel with multiple pools (and activities at the pool at least a portion of the day), a room about more than double the size, and multiple restaurants/bars (and in my opinion, any deluxe over $400 is overpriced at this point). If we continue with the Cruise comparison, I can book a 3 night Disney cruise for $2,203 for 2 adults and 2 kids, and I have yet to see anything that makes me think this worth more than what I would get on the Disney Dream.
Cesar R M
Well-Known Member
This reminds me of a famous scene in the TV show "Westworld".
Where the creator of westworld (Anthony Hopkins) rejects the "imagineer with gigantic ego" story.
Because there is a big difference in shoving the story and forcing the person to follow that story. Or let the user develop his own version of the story based on certain minimal backstory, elements and interactivity.
disneylandtour
Active Member
Surprisingly close to Battlestar Galactica from the 1970s.
Cesar R M
Well-Known Member
but you got.. hu.. . rock pushing.. in the..
The MC80 (Kuari Princess) Luxury liner seems way more interesting than the Halcyon lol.
pdude81
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Are those restaurants and bars free? If a bigger room and a pool is better to you than a role playing experience in a themed environment, then by all means save the money and stay somewhere else. But there is no world where this could be less than 3 grand for 2 nights, even if they slashed half the entertainment.
I've also looked at sailing on cruises and for some reason I never see anything less than 3 grand for my party of 3 (DCL that is). Perhaps I was only looking at verandah rooms though.
Cesar R M
Well-Known Member
Alcoholic drinks are not included in DCL's packages, nor Internet.
I would not be surprised if they keep jacking up prices on par of all the other Disney offerings (they have) on everything.
For example, last time I was on DCL... PALO upcharge costed only 15-20 USD per person.
It now costs like 45 USD and have limited selections. You no longer have unlimited a la carte food like you did before. Now you pay per dish if you go outside the "pre selected menu".
I just took my family of four to DLP last June and it cost us $555 which included one night at the Newport Bay hotel and two days of Parkhopper tickets for four. I can’t even get one day of single park tickets with no accommodations for that at Disneyland CA. The DLP packages are so much cheaper than the US parks.