Safety Raid at DLR. Could it happen here?

Clever Name

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Tom said:
And again, unless there's some loophole that says OSHA can't inspect Disney's workplace at their discretion (and I'd be extremely surprised if that were the case, because that would be a serious loophole that should be changed), this can most certainly happen at WDW. And again, if OSHA inspections aren't happening at WDW, they should be, because given what we know about all other maintenance shortfalls, it's almost assured that there are other serious violations that put employees at risk.
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All OSHA inspections are a matter of public record. You can go here: http://www.osha.gov/pls/imis/establishment.html

You can see all of the OSHA inspections that have ever been done at WDW since 1972 (when OSHA first started doing inspections). You can see all the violations ever issued to WDW and the fines that were imposed. It's 41 years of data.

I think you'll be surprised by the information.
 
Alektronic

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The only time OSHA shows up is when there is a big accident and there needs to be a an accident investigation. WDW has their own Safety Dept, which is quite large and safety representatives for every park. There is a lot of Safety representatives which is a part of their collateral duties but not their main focus.

The big problem with the Safety Dept is that everyone works Monday - Friday 9-5, they aren't there nights and weekends when most of the work is going on. Especially outside contractors, which are the biggest violators of all the safety policy's. All the CM's, especially Maintenance CM's, receive a lot of safety training, classes and CBT's (Computer Based Training) and have to be certified to operate certain equipment. And are issued all kinds of safety gear PPE, electrical safety gear, hardhats, safety glasses, High-vis vests, fall protection harnesses, etc. so everyone has their personal gear and gets inspected every year. But contractors don't receive that training, but receive a list of the safety policies at WDW and supposed to follow them but don't always do. There is no one there to check up on them. A lot of them work unsafely or just avoid the safety items that would get in their way because they can do it faster or with less people. It works great for them until someone gets hurt.
 
TP2000

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Tom said:
OUCH! That's a hell of a fine. This must be a repeat offense for them.
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Doubt it was a repeat offense. Disneyland was hit with multiple $60,000 fines for this accident, even though it was HSG who was doing the work for Disney as contractors.

Disneyland's fine for this accident was over $230,000, so with the $60,000 owed by HSG for the same incident, the state of California just made $300,000 off this guys broken arm. ;)
 
Alektronic

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Hoop Raeb said:
To answer your original question, no, it won't happen here at WDW. Al weighed in on that point today.

http://micechat.com/27229-disneyland-rumors-space-mountain/
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WDW attractions won't be shut down by an outside organization, but doesn't mean that they won't be plenty of changes coming as far as safety concerns. We are all one division now "Disney Parks" so happens in Calif is going to affect us even if Florida doesn't regulations or laws for it. We are already hearing reprecussions about the incidents. Everyone is worried about fall protection now, so everything is being looked at and changes will be coming but hopefully not everything, they have been coming up with some stupid ideas so far.
 
TP2000

TP2000

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Hoop Raeb said:
To answer your original question, no, it won't happen here at WDW. Al weighed in on that point today.

http://micechat.com/27229-disneyland-rumors-space-mountain/
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That was an amazing Update from Al Lutz.

I had wondered why the Epcot version of Soarin' was still up and running. They are identical clones inside the theaters. Yet they shut the California version down for a week, with Meg Crofton flying out to Disneyland on a Saturday to inspect it and weigh in. The California ride then remains closed for the week, while Meg Crofton flies home to Orlando where.... the Epcot version opens promptly on time the next morning as if nothing happened.

If there's a safer way of doing things in Anaheim, and Disney tackles that and ensures that Anaheim has the safer way before the ride reopens, then why the heck aren't they transferring that knowledge to Orlando and closing the same rides with the same problems ASAP?

This operational discrepancy between the two Soarin' clones run by the same company in the same country doesn't pass the smell test. :confused:
 
Clever Name

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Tom said:
Thanks for the link. I was specifically referring to the $60k fine for the contractor. If we got hit with a fine like that, we'd have to shut the doors and go home.
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Sorry, my bad. Here's the fine for the contractor from DOSH: http://www.osha.gov/pls/imis/establ...tyear=2008&endmonth=04&endday=23&endyear=2013

Hsg Professional Window Cleaners Inc has until 04/27/13 to abate the issues. The fines may be lowered if their abatement is approved or they may appeal. We'll just have to keep track.
 
Californian Elitist

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TP2000 said:
If there's a safer way of doing things in Anaheim, and Disney tackles that and ensures that Anaheim has the safer way before the ride reopens, then why the heck aren't they transferring that knowledge to Orlando and closing the same rides with the same problems ASAP?
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The same reason why DLR attractions don't open without major show effects working and apparently WDW ones do... Probably due to different mindsets and rules.
 
lazyboy97o

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TP2000 said:
That was an amazing Update from Al Lutz.

I had wondered why the Epcot version of Soarin' was still up and running. They are identical clones inside the theaters. Yet they shut the California version down for a week, with Meg Crofton flying out to Disneyland on a Saturday to inspect it and weigh in. The California ride then remains closed for the week, while Meg Crofton flies home to Orlando where.... the Epcot version opens promptly on time the next morning as if nothing happened.

If there's a safer way of doing things in Anaheim, and Disney tackles that and ensures that Anaheim has the safer way before the ride reopens, then why the heck aren't they transferring that knowledge to Orlando and closing the same rides with the same problems ASAP?

This operational discrepancy between the two Soarin' clones run by the same company in the same country doesn't pass the smell test. :confused:
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Because DOSH doesn't have jurisdiction in Florida. It's just that simple. Disney doesn't consider the issues in California to be serious, they're just doing them to make the State of California happy and the State of California doesn't care what happens in Florida.
 
Tom

Tom

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TP2000 said:
That was an amazing Update from Al Lutz.

I had wondered why the Epcot version of Soarin' was still up and running. They are identical clones inside the theaters. Yet they shut the California version down for a week, with Meg Crofton flying out to Disneyland on a Saturday to inspect it and weigh in. The California ride then remains closed for the week, while Meg Crofton flies home to Orlando where.... the Epcot version opens promptly on time the next morning as if nothing happened.

If there's a safer way of doing things in Anaheim, and Disney tackles that and ensures that Anaheim has the safer way before the ride reopens, then why the heck aren't they transferring that knowledge to Orlando and closing the same rides with the same problems ASAP?

This operational discrepancy between the two Soarin' clones run by the same company in the same country doesn't pass the smell test. :confused:
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Again, these safety violations in no way affect the guests. The specific (major) violation at DLR was improper fall protection that was provided to, and used by, third party maintenance contractors.

There was no reason to close the rides, other than as a PR move (as has been implied here and elsewhere) or perhaps because California's OSHA made them (this is undetermined, I believe).

We do not know, definitively, that Epcot's Soarin has the exact same catwalks and handrails that were installed in DCA's version. While the ride system is the same, there could very easily be different versions of these back-of-house infrastructures.

If this same accident (someone falling due to improper fall protection) were to happen in WDW, they would be exposed to just as much liability - both from OSHA and legal avenues. We all know TDO doesn't like anyone getting in their pockets, so I actually have much more faith in the fact that these sorts of safety precautions are being (or have been addressed) far before attending to ride and show maintenance.
 
Master Yoda

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TP2000 said:
That was an amazing Update from Al Lutz.

I had wondered why the Epcot version of Soarin' was still up and running. They are identical clones inside the theaters. Yet they shut the California version down for a week, with Meg Crofton flying out to Disneyland on a Saturday to inspect it and weigh in. The California ride then remains closed for the week, while Meg Crofton flies home to Orlando where.... the Epcot version opens promptly on time the next morning as if nothing happened.

If there's a safer way of doing things in Anaheim, and Disney tackles that and ensures that Anaheim has the safer way before the ride reopens, then why the heck aren't they transferring that knowledge to Orlando and closing the same rides with the same problems ASAP?

This operational discrepancy between the two Soarin' clones run by the same company in the same country doesn't pass the smell test. :confused:
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OSHA rules can vary from state to state. California operates under what is called a "State Plan". Florida does not. Basically this means that California handles their own OSHA rules, inspections and enforcement. State plans can have more stringent requirements than the Federal Plan. It is quite possible that what is allowed in Florida is not in California.
 
Alektronic

Alektronic

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TP2000 said:
That was an amazing Update from Al Lutz.

I had wondered why the Epcot version of Soarin' was still up and running. They are identical clones inside the theaters. Yet they shut the California version down for a week, with Meg Crofton flying out to Disneyland on a Saturday to inspect it and weigh in. The California ride then remains closed for the week, while Meg Crofton flies home to Orlando where.... the Epcot version opens promptly on time the next morning as if nothing happened.

If there's a safer way of doing things in Anaheim, and Disney tackles that and ensures that Anaheim has the safer way before the ride reopens, then why the heck aren't they transferring that knowledge to Orlando and closing the same rides with the same problems ASAP?

This operational discrepancy between the two Soarin' clones run by the same company in the same country doesn't pass the smell test. :confused:
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The difference was CM's, DCA Soarin' CM's violating safety procedures and Epcot wasn't.
 
RSoxNo1

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Alektronic said:
WDW attractions won't be shut down by an outside organization, but doesn't mean that they won't be plenty of changes coming as far as safety concerns. We are all one division now "Disney Parks" so happens in Calif is going to affect us even if Florida doesn't regulations or laws for it. We are already hearing reprecussions about the incidents. Everyone is worried about fall protection now, so everything is being looked at and changes will be coming but hopefully not everything, they have been coming up with some stupid ideas so far.
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TP2000 said:
That was an amazing Update from Al Lutz.

I had wondered why the Epcot version of Soarin' was still up and running. They are identical clones inside the theaters. Yet they shut the California version down for a week, with Meg Crofton flying out to Disneyland on a Saturday to inspect it and weigh in. The California ride then remains closed for the week, while Meg Crofton flies home to Orlando where.... the Epcot version opens promptly on time the next morning as if nothing happened.

If there's a safer way of doing things in Anaheim, and Disney tackles that and ensures that Anaheim has the safer way before the ride reopens, then why the heck aren't they transferring that knowledge to Orlando and closing the same rides with the same problems ASAP?

This operational discrepancy between the two Soarin' clones run by the same company in the same country doesn't pass the smell test. :confused:
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One of the more telling things here is what Al describes as the "razor thin" margin for capacity that's at the WDW resort. It really isn't a secret, and many of us on here have been saying it for years. The attraction lineup at DCA was never an issue, it was always an issue with cohesive theming. It's reasonable to say that the DCA attraction lineup is far superior than any Disney World park except Magic Kingdom.
 
Scuttle

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RSoxNo1 said:
One of the more telling things here is what Al describes as the "razor thin" margin for capacity that's at the WDW resort. It really isn't a secret, and many of us on here have been saying it for years. The attraction lineup at DCA was never an issue, it was always an issue with cohesive theming. It's reasonable to say that the DCA attraction lineup is far superior than any Disney World park except Magic Kingdom.
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Hell on paper it beats MK IMO.
 

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