New Disneyland Parking Garage and Transportation Hub

[lazyboy97o]

It is not unusual for true small businesses in such environments, including crowded ones, to require some form of assistance. This is why they tend to be in local government-backed developments. It's an odd Catch 22 that requires a precarious balance.

 

[Darkbeer1]

Another point, and I think it is important, most people travelling on vacation, especially with kids are on a budget, and don't want to go high end on most meals. They might have one or two splurges, but for the most part, they are looking for a good deal, or at least mid-range.

Also access, those staying in the Disneyland area, many don't rent a car, or opt to only use it on occasion, and prefer to walk or use pubic transit.

So that means places like AGW, DtD, the restaurants on Harbor, and then looking at getting on transit to go to places like Buena Park (easy bus ride), The Outlets at Orange, etc.

https://www.tripadvisor.com/Travel-...ornia:10.Easy.Trips.Using.Public.Transit.html

https://www.tripadvisor.com/Travel-...fornia:Shopping.Areas.Via.Public.Transit.html

 

[NobodyElse]

Just a quick perhaps-relevant observation. Last time I stopped by AGW, I seem to recall noting the promise / implication that several smaller eateries were going into the north end of the mall. This was represented by large graphic coverings over the storefronts. My memory tells me that most of these were not recognizable national or local chains (though they could be off-shoots of larger companies for all I know). Or, it could be the retail version of that "Lorem ipsum" placeholder text. I'll try to swing by next week and take some photos.

When Westfield expanded San Francisco Centre about a decade ago they made a point of leasing to mostly (I'd say it's about 90%) local eateries in their large subterranean food court. If you want McDonald's, California Pizza Kitchen, or Starbucks you'll have to go elsewhere either in another section of the mall or outside. Note that SF Centre is directly across the street from the Powell Street Cable Car terminus and has both Bloomingdale's and Nordstrom as anchors.

Likewise with San Francisco's 100+ year-old Ferry Building in the Financial District, which was practically crumbling apart when the Port of San Francisco gave it a magnificent overhaul. The marketplace floor is constantly teeming with both locals and tourists enjoying locally sourced produce, an oyster bar, wines, local coffee vendors, gourmet burgers and a lively weekend farmer's market. No Bubba Gumps here.

It's unfortunate that the city didn't push the AGW developers to bring a more authentic shopping and dining experience to Anaheim. It would have been a nice counterpoint to the corporate commercialism of DTD and the rest of DLR.



Yes, but Disney can get away with it because the parks and hotels act as anchors at each end of the property. DTD would probably as deserted as AGW if it weren't for the parks.



Chains aren't the issue. The issue is that AGW is leasing to national chains that aren't compelling or special enough to warrant a visit.

 

[Ismael Flores]

Thank you for your answers Darkbeer I know this is not the right thread, but would enjoy hearing your thoughts about the tower change to guardians and if there is anything you can might know about Marvel in one of the other posts

 

[Darkbeer1]

Thank you for your answers Darkbeer I know this is not the right thread, but would enjoy hearing your thoughts about the tower change to guardians and if there is anything you can might know about Marvel in one of the other posts

Nothing much I can say, the ToT changeover has been fairly accurately stated by others Script and new scenes have been done. (Yes, the movie clips that you see are 100% ready to be loaded into the towers.

As for Marvel Land, well, it is coming, but is still a work in progress, since part of the changeover is related to the Disneyland Eastern Gateway project.

Can't say much more.

 

[Darkbeer1]

Getting back on track...

The Wincome Hotel Projects referendum has been found to have enough signatures to be valid, so the matter will be addressed on Tuesday night at the next city council meeting.

http://www.ocweekly.com/news/petiti...-agreements-successful-but-whats-next-7589572

 

[TP2000]

Just a quick perhaps-relevant observation. Last time I stopped by AGW, I seem to recall noting the promise / implication that several smaller eateries were going into the north end of the mall. This was represented by large graphic coverings over the storefronts. My memory tells me that most of these were not recognizable national or local chains (though they could be off-shoots of larger companies for all I know). Or, it could be the retail version of that "Lorem ipsum" placeholder text. I'll try to swing by next week and take some photos.

Those have been there for years. When they appeared back in 2013 I peered into the spaces, and they are completely barren down to the steel girders and cement floor. Nothing is there.

It was a lame attempt by the mall developer to try and make that abandoned corner look like "New Things Are Coming!". It was a big lie. And it's a lie that's several years old now.

I wonder how many more years they will keep those graphics up on all the unused storefronts? Maybe until the new House of Blues opens, so it doesn't look so pathetic to arriving HoB customers? The House of Blues is horribly behind schedule, but at least they aren't completely lying because they are genuinely trying to open... in 2017 sometime.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

Something's up with the HOB project, otherwise it wouldn't be so delayed. Is there construction actually happening behind the wall?

 

[TP2000]

Something's up with the HOB project, otherwise it wouldn't be so delayed. Is there construction actually happening behind the wall?

Very little. It's not abandoned, but it doesn't seem to change much month to month. Maybe they had to redesign some things? They are basically gutting the space of a dozen movie theaters/lobby/snack bars and turning it into two large theaters with multiple food service areas.

But it is suspicious that it's delayed by at least six months, if not longer.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Construction is not necessarily a field known for its punctuality.

 

[NobodyElse]

It was a lame attempt by the mall developer to try and make that abandoned corner look like "New Things Are Coming!". It was a big lie. And it's a lie that's several years old now.

Yeah, that's kind of what I figured. They'll probably go in right after that world class aquarium. ;-) PS: It's technically not a lie until something else goes into those spots.

The House of Blues is horribly behind schedule, but at least they aren't completely lying because they are genuinely trying to open... in 2017 sometime.

As of today, you can still enter for a chance to win two VIP tickets to their GRAND OPENING PARTY, presumably in March 2017.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

But it is suspicious that it's delayed by at least six months, if not longer.

Right? It should not take this long to demo a movie theater in a shopping mall.

 

[Phroobar]

Right? It should not take this long to demo a movie theater in a shopping mall.

It shouldn't take this long to demo DHS for SWL either. Maybe they got Fix It Felix to do the demo.

 

[TP2000]

This morning I was running errands so I drove over to Anaheim and cruised past the House of Blues site and those huge 30 foot windows it has. It's nowhere near being ready. The interiors are all still gutted, just structural steel covered with spray insulation with a few industrial light fixtures. At least the lights were turned on, so someone has been in there recently.

The current state of construction doesn't appear to have changed much since the demolition wrapped up six months ago, quite frankly. I have a growing hunch something has gone wrong here and the plan may be in the process of being abandoned. The GardenWalk Curse strikes again?

As a contrast, Disneyland looked slammed this morning. Surface streets clogged with cars and APD forcing cars to park in Pumbaa, hordes of tourists on the sidewalks streaming to the parks, traffic backed up on the freeway offramps to Disneyland Drive and Harbor Blvd., etc., etc. All this week the official wait time app has shown E Ticket wait times in the 90 minute (Haunted Mansion) to 120 minute (Space Mt., Soarin') to 180 minute (Racers, Tower of Terror) range.

Reports are that the parks were packed all week long due to Columbus Day, HalloweenTime, and the dozens of Annual Passholders who gave up their Disneyland pass for a Universal Studios pass. Business is obviously very, very good in Anaheim. All of this new parking planned for 2018 was desperately needed back in 2012, and in 2016 it's ugly out on the streets of Anaheim.

 

[Darkbeer1]

Drove down Katella past AGW a couple of hours ago, and the line for The Cheesecake Factory was large going down the sidewalk. Bubba Gump's also has a spillover line onto the sidewalk, though not as long.

 

[Darkbeer1]

Call me old, but I always picture one of these as an analogy for issues like this:

OK, was doing errands yesterday, and was in the Buena Park area, and thought of some more parking options, including the large Sa-Rang Church and La Palma and Brookhurst, and it isn't fullyused much of the week.

Then you have Buena Park Downtown and the mall, and there are usually lots of empty space, but you would have to avoid the Christmas season.

Then you have the former Movieland Wax Museum parking lot, and while work is about to start on the Butterfly Pavilion, you might be able to get some parking from them for awhile.

And then you do have Knott's, which has a lot of spaces, including the Western Dirt lots, but then during the summer when both the Theme Park and Soak City operate, you would have none. And then Knott's has entered into an agreement with the city in relocating the firs staion, moving form its current location on the south west corner of La Palma and Western, and moving it to the North East corner. The city wans the move so they can build a larger station with modern facilities and easier access for quick departures for emergencies. So Knott's will be losing some spaces during the construction time, but end up with about the same about of spaces, but more consolidated.

And you could maybe get CM's to use the Park and Ride lot where the 91 and 5 freeways meet. There are already bus bays built there (The current LA Metro Route 460 stops there).

So there are more options, and more than likely only for CM's and DtD employees, but still, a lot of operating costs in renting the spaces, and then running the shuttle services to get them to work from the farther lots.

 

[Darkbeer1]

A couple more thoughts, and that are the nearby colleges/universities and their parking spaces. You would have to only pick certain times, but during the busy summer and holiday seasons, you could make deals for at least some lots to be rented out.

And then you have some former Military base options in Tustin and Irvine (Great Park), but you are moving farther and farther away, and the shuttles wouldn't be cheap.

You just might do as well by coming up with a CM incentive program, above and beyond the current rideshare and public transit programs already offered, in where you promise to not park in a CM lot (turn in your parking permit) in return for additional benefits, maybe including a cash payment. (But there are issues about that, including regarding taxable income that will be reported by the CM on their tax return.)

And what are the options for Mass Transit, your nearby hubs are the ARTIC Center, the Fullerton Train Station, the 91 Park and Ride Lot off Magnolia, and then the Santa Ana Train Station and transit hub. Do you make a deal with OCTA to run special express buses to drop off at/near CM entrances, or use the current CM provider, Empire Transportation??? And of course, making a deal with the city and using ART system vehicles and drivers.

http://www.emptransportation.com/EmpireHome.html

 

[NobodyElse]

OK, was doing errands yesterday, and was in the Buena Park area, and thought of some more parking options, including the large Sa-Rang Church and La Palma and Brookhurst, and it isn't fullyused much of the week.

Then you have Buena Park Downtown and the mall, and there are usually lots of empty space, but you would have to avoid the Christmas season.

Then you have the former Movieland Wax Museum parking lot, and while work is about to start on the Butterfly Pavilion, you might be able to get some parking from them for awhile.

And then you do have Knott's, which has a lot of spaces, including the Western Dirt lots, but then during the summer when both the Theme Park and Soak City operate, you would have none. And then Knott's has entered into an agreement with the city in relocating the firs staion, moving form its current location on the south west corner of La Palma and Western, and moving it to the North East corner. The city wans the move so they can build a larger station with modern facilities and easier access for quick departures for emergencies. So Knott's will be losing some spaces during the construction time, but end up with about the same about of spaces, but more consolidated.

And you could maybe get CM's to use the Park and Ride lot where the 91 and 5 freeways meet. There are already bus bays built there (The current LA Metro Route 460 stops there).

So there are more options, and more than likely only for CM's and DtD employees, but still, a lot of operating costs in renting the spaces, and then running the shuttle services to get them to work from the farther lots.

If we're considering options that far from Disneyland, I wonder if there is any active development on the fairly large property at the N/E corner of Lincoln and Beach. It's roughly the same size as the Simba lot. If they're stalling for any reason (financial) it might make a good temporary CM lot.

 

[NobodyElse]

By the way, can anyone let us know the current policy regarding remote CM parking (like at the Anaheim Stadium)? Is there travel time of some sort built into CM schedules? If so, CMs might not mind a paid-for 15 minute ride from Buena Park (especially if they are coming from up the 5 or 91 anyway). If not...

 

[Darkbeer1]

If we're considering options that far from Disneyland, I wonder if there is any active development on the fairly large property at the N/E corner of Lincoln and Beach. It's roughly the same size as the Simba lot. If they're stalling for any reason (financial) it might make a good temporary CM lot.

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Well, I forgot about that one, and it is in the city of Anaheim. One part of the "Beach Blvd" improvement project is being addressed at Tuesday's city council meeting.

http://www.anaheim.net/1080/Beach-Boulevard

http://www.improvewestanaheim.com/

So the one big issue here is that it is not currently graded or paved for parking. That would require (as mentioned earlier), a project study, environmental impact reports, and then special drainage installed before paving. So it is an option, but not a cheap one.

Maybe since the city is planning a Shopping Center on the large lot, maybe a quick building of the lot and parking area, and then wait to build the actual buildings until later on....